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Model aircraft operators free to operate commercially in US, rules federal judge

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Re: Model aircraft operators free to operate commercially in US, rules federal judge

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I know of several engineering companies who took aerial photos with R/C airplanes. Ranging from project sites, to land surveying, to real estate, etc. Does this ruling stop them from doing what they have been doing since the 1990s?

Looks like this makes that legal.

Or, you could say that it was never illegal...

Re: Model aircraft operators free to operate commercially in US, rules federal judge

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Let's stick with some facts (I'm a pilot and work closely with the FAA for my dayjob so I know a bit about this space) ... - The FAA is responsible for the safety of U.S. airspace from the ground up. This misperception may originate with the idea that manned aircraft generally must stay at least 500 feet above the ground. - There are no shades of gray in FAA regulations. Anyone who wants to fly an aircraft—manned or…

Do you know what types of relaxations there are on software for experimental airworthiness certificates?

Re: Model aircraft operators free to operate commercially in US, rules federal judge

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It's not quite so big as the headline, but it's still good. Here's the scoop: The FAA has long had rules for model aircraft, which would include many small "drones", and under which you can personally operate them now. You're supposed to stay low and away from stuff you could damage. They also (as of fairly recently) have some rules for UAS (unmanned aerial systems) that are more like the rules for real aircraft, and…

Do you know what the software certification criteria are for a sUAS and UAS?

The FAA usual procedure is "prove to us that it's safe". You can point to other certified craft using the same or similar technologies or systems, and say "it works there, so we'll be okay". This is what most of the aircraft manufacturers do. For novel systems you have to demonstrate for them that it will work as intended and safely. How you do that is negotiated with them. Plenty of time on flight tests is likely required. (Though the rocket guys mostly do this by showing that when it does fail, it can't possibly hit anything interesting, due to flight path and abort limits.)

FAA generally won't force you to do it a specific way. Which is both good and bad from a development standpoint. You might take a look "at Airworthiness Certification of Unmanned Aircraft Systems and Optionally Piloted Aircraft":

http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Order/8130.34B.pdf

Re: Model aircraft operators free to operate commercially in US, rules federal judge

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This is simply awesome news for startup/small business UAS operators in the US in the short term. I do have some concern, though, that this could cause the FAA to now rush the rule-making process which could result in half baked, ham fisted regulations. This is especially possible if we see several high profile accidents during this new free-for-all period. Cheap plug: if you want to play with aerial photography but…

You seem to misunderstand you cannot commercially operate a UAS in the US. This is not "awesome news" for all your "disruptive" startups. You cannot "disrupt" the FAA and I highly suggest you do not attempt too; that path is littered with corpses. The FAA does not joke around and your little UAS is no where near up to the 50+ years of standards, processes and regulations in place for modern aircraft. Why do you think new aircraft manufacturers are not popping up every year? The ignorance and complete disrespect for an industry no one of this forumn truly understands is appalling. Your drones are not going to be delivery packages or flying passengers anytime soon (most modern airlines are not flown but "operated" like a giant computer anyways). That is about as close as it is going to get for awhile so dream on.

Re: Model aircraft operators free to operate commercially in US, rules federal judge

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I think there's a pretty low risk of serious damage occurring from this drone colliding with much of anything. This is the model being piloted in the videos: http://www.ritewingrc.com/Zephyr_II_ARF.html It's basically two pieces of EPS foam with some electronics and a pusher prop. If you were going to be hit in the face by a "drone" - you couldn't really pick a less damaging one.

If the drone has any significant speed, it will cause serious damage to an individual if hit. If it causes a traffic disruption, the danger then comes from a vehicle that may make a maneuver to avoid getting hit or if a driver loses control after colliding with the drone. It it shatters glass, serious lacerations could occur for pedestrians. This kind of flying is highly reckless and only an asshole would do this.

Don't forget it could also spook the horses, tip over apple carts, cause women and children to faint, and anger the gods.

Re: Model aircraft operators free to operate commercially in US, rules federal judge

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This is ridiculous. The coming (and fictitious) drone/UAS revolution every little rich punk in Silicon Valley is just that ... day dreaming.

I cannot wait to watch the FAA mow down your dreams. You have NO idea the power of the organization you are dealing with and their commitment to safety.

UAS are not and will not be (for decades) up to the FAA standards. If you are an investor putting money behind these outlandish businesses proposed here then you are even stupider than I thought.

Re: Model aircraft operators free to operate commercially in US, rules federal judge

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From a different article[0], it sounds like the guy being sued in this case may have been operating the drone irresponsibly, which opens a window for legislators to put laws in place that will gives the FAA power to regulate drones: > Pirker operated the aircraft within about 50 feet of numerous individuals, about 20 feet of a crowded street, and within approximately 100 feet of an active heliport at UVA, the FAA all…

You can watch the video of the flight that triggered the lawsuit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZnJeuAja-4

Definitely some questionable flying in my opinion.

Re: Model aircraft operators free to operate commercially in US, rules federal judge

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Do you know what the software certification criteria are for a sUAS and UAS?

The FAA usual procedure is "prove to us that it's safe". You can point to other certified craft using the same or similar technologies or systems, and say "it works there, so we'll be okay". This is what most of the aircraft manufacturers do. For novel systems you have to demonstrate for them that it will work as intended and safely. How you do that is negotiated with them. Plenty of time on flight tests is likely re…

Thanks that document is somewhat helpful.

> FAA generally won't force you to do it a specific way.

I don't know if they "force" but practically you cannot certify commercial aircraft without adhering to DO-178 and a bunch of other standards.

So my question is what mandates or recommends use of those standards and will the same apply to UAS?

edit: Found it: http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/A...

Turns out you are correct, using DO-178B is optional but I can't imagine anyone implementing alternative means given the complexity of DO-178.

The question that remains for me is do UASes have or will have the same or similar airworthiness requirements as other aircraft?

Re: Model aircraft operators free to operate commercially in US, rules federal judge

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the drone has any significant speed, it will cause serious damage to an individual if hit. If it causes a traffic disruption, the danger then comes from a vehicle that may make a maneuver to avoid getting hit or if a driver loses control after colliding with the drone. It it shatters glass, serious lacerations could occur for pedestrians. This kind of flying is highly reckless and only an asshole would do this.

Don't forget it could also spook the horses, tip over apple carts, cause women and children to faint, and anger the gods.

My thought was that a kite from a nearby park might fly into the face of a skateboarder causing them to veer into the road forcing a motorcycle to evade and crash into a bus, severing the fuel line and blowing up thirty seven children but leaving the driver unharmed.

Re: Model aircraft operators free to operate commercially in US, rules federal judge

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I'm interested in controlled drones not by radio control, but with waypoints, and telemetry provided over LTE. Further investigation required!

Very much possible. Ardupilot is one of the more full-featured open source packages, but there are simpler autopilots out there as well. It's pretty common practice to at the very least have a GPS based "return to launch" system on long-range FPV craft as a failsafe for the connection to the ground station being dropped. http://ardupilot.com/

We loooove ArduPilot. Using ArduPlane and ArduCopter (firmware versions of ArduPilot) as the primary platform for our LTE-Telem box.

The current software for configuring ArduPilot boards has tremendous depth, but I think the UI could use some work. Especially for non-hobbyist users.

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