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Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Post by strlen »

dinkumthinkum wrote: post #117
strlen wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We can only speculate, but I'd imagine the real Satoshi is a human being and doesn't want an uninvolved senior citizen (and his relatives, including a 90 year old mother) to be made targets for violent crime. It's highly ironic that the media paints cryptocurrency as tools for a coldhearted clique that only cares for their own material wealth, yet they're the ones cruelly exposing someone who has done them no wrong a…

All you people talking about violent crime .., I mean, what, do you think the Bloods and the Crips are following the world of bitcoin? I think the bigger story here, much more interesting than whether this person is Santoshi, is the kind of sociological story of nerd obsession with and belief systems about Bitcoin.

So first of all some background: I grew up during the fall of USSR. Our family had little liquid money, but my dad had a 386 computer (this was early 90s) provided by an American firm. My parents told me to never disclose that fact to others for a simple reason: people will assume we have far more money than we actually do (386s were not cheap!, most of my classmates had Sinclairs, Elektronika's, and XTs), we'll suffer a home invasion, and -- this was very common in former USSR republics in early 90s -- torture in search of that money that we don't have. When you hear stories of people being tortured with soldering irons and blow torches on regular news, you tend to become immensely paranoid about sums much smaller than $400mm and concepts much more technical than Bitcoin (as in, differences between various makes of processors!)

The criminals don't think "Bitcoin, the neat crypto-currency, let's hack his network and steal his private keys if we can!". Criminals think "wow, this guy has something that can be exchanged for $400mm, let's hold a clothes iron to his (or his mother's!) feet until he gives it to us!".

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Post by stefantalpalaru »

re_todd wrote: post #133
elwell wrote: post #68

I have a sinking feeling hn's scheduled kernel maintenance is going to make me miss out on new developments of this movie.

Maybe that means pg is Satoshi!

No, Satoshi would know how to implement proper pagination.

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Post by lucb1e »

jbaudanza wrote: post #6

Direct link to Satoshi's post: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/forum/topics/bitcoin-open-sour...

Why does this post matter at all?

A. This account was hacked and it doesn't matter. This scenario might be uncovered if ning.com discovers a breach.

B. This is Satoshi Nakamoto, the creator of Bitcoin, and s/he is trying to clear Dorian's name.

C. This is Dorian Nakamoto and he is trying to clear his name.

We can never distinguish between B and C, so I don't see the value of posting such a comment, and I'm pretty sure that the inventor of Bitcoin would understand this as well.

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Post by lucb1e »

pdeuchler wrote: post #93

Hmmmmm. Assuming the post was made by the actual Satoshi... Dorian Nakamoto is Satoshi: This is an attempt by him to throw people off his scent, which would be foolish and desperate since chances are the millions of eyes focused on him will find more concrete proof than the Newsweek article, rendering the posting moot. Almost guaranteeing the drama will continue, if not whip it into a larger frenzy. Dorian Nakamoto i…

This is the only realistic comment I've seen regarding the ning post. Everyone is just going on about how we got the wrong person, while in fact it tells us nothing. Thank you.

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Post by lotsofmangos »

azcoder wrote: post #98
pdeuchler wrote: post #93

Hmmmmm. Assuming the post was made by the actual Satoshi... Dorian Nakamoto is Satoshi: This is an attempt by him to throw people off his scent, which would be foolish and desperate since chances are the millions of eyes focused on him will find more concrete proof than the Newsweek article, rendering the posting moot. Almost guaranteeing the drama will continue, if not whip it into a larger frenzy. Dorian Nakamoto i…

Dorian == Satoshi [1] It's a desperate attempt to mislead. [1] Here is Dorian making an in-person bitcoin purchase in July 2011: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7354326

I would bet that anyone who is already very geeky and just happens to be called Satoshi Nakamoto has a much higher than normal chance of being a bitcoin early adopter.

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Post by [deleted] »

Karunamon wrote: post #149
InclinedPlane wrote: post #43

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Holy crap, get over yourself. Bitcoin is a flash in the pan fad. Maybe eventually there will be a cryptocurrency that's worthwhile but bitcoin having the "potential of changing humanity" is utter bullshit. Also, your argument is completely ass-backwards. It doesn't matter how important the issue is, means are just as important as ends. Look at it this way, consider some other examples. Finding out whether or not some…

>Bitcoin is a flash in the pan fad. Huh. I swear I've heard such comments before.. "This internet thing isn't going to go anywhere" -- Most companies, early 1990's "No wireless, less space than a Nomad. Lame." -- CmdrTaco, the original iPod release "I have traveled the length and breadth of this country and talked with the best people, and I can assure you that data processing is a fad that won't last out the year."…

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Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

Karunamon wrote: post #149
InclinedPlane wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Holy crap, get over yourself. Bitcoin is a flash in the pan fad. Maybe eventually there will be a cryptocurrency that's worthwhile but bitcoin having the "potential of changing humanity" is utter bullshit. Also, your argument is completely ass-backwards. It doesn't matter how important the issue is, means are just as important as ends. Look at it this way, consider some other examples. Finding out whether or not some…

>Bitcoin is a flash in the pan fad. Huh. I swear I've heard such comments before.. "This internet thing isn't going to go anywhere" -- Most companies, early 1990's "No wireless, less space than a Nomad. Lame." -- CmdrTaco, the original iPod release "I have traveled the length and breadth of this country and talked with the best people, and I can assure you that data processing is a fad that won't last out the year."…

This is the "they laughed at Galieo" Gambit http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Galileo_gambit It's a lot older than your examples and is a reliable crutch for quacks.

Yes, most important advances are initially dismissed. But almost all things that are initially dismissed are not important advances. You cannot infer importance from initial dismissal. Dismissal does not in itself make anything more likely to be important.

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Post by MaulingMonkey »

dfc wrote: post #77
poopicus wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He did say he was wrong. He was simply stating he was surprised he didn't realise sooner, given how he had already identified a similar method of forgery in an earlier affair.

No he did not. Unless you are 5 years old "Duh, I knew that" is not the same thing as admitting fault: "Duh, it's fake. Obviously, it's possible to set your system clock back. I was so intrigued I wasn't thinking clearly, even after I pointed this very "attack" out during the Ed Snowden GPG affair. Sorry folks, maybe if it were timestamped in the blockchain." He played it off and says the real answer is obvious. Then…

You're reading something very different into jnbiche's words than I am. I'm reading it more like this:

"[Ooooooh,] Duh[!], it's fake[!] [forehead smack of realization and insight]."

You seem to be reading more of a dismissive "Duh, I knew that, why are you telling me what I already know?" into this, whereas I'm reading a much more realization-striken tone.

"Obviously, it's possible to set your system clock back."

Thinking out loud through the realization and insight as it occurred.

"I was so intrigued I wasn't thinking clearly, even after I pointed this very "attack" out during the Ed Snowden GPG affair."

Explaining the circumstances of and implicitly acknowledging and admitting to a mistake or fault, continuing revelation. An introspective done, not a defensive one, not offered up as an "excuse".

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Post by Karunamon »

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #158
Karunamon wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Bitcoin is a flash in the pan fad. Huh. I swear I've heard such comments before.. "This internet thing isn't going to go anywhere" -- Most companies, early 1990's "No wireless, less space than a Nomad. Lame." -- CmdrTaco, the original iPod release "I have traveled the length and breadth of this country and talked with the best people, and I can assure you that data processing is a fad that won't last out the year."…

This is the "they laughed at Galieo" Gambit http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Galileo_gambit It's a lot older than your examples and is a reliable crutch for quacks. Yes, most important advances are initially dismissed. But almost all things that are initially dismissed are not important advances. You cannot infer importance from initial dismissal. Dismissal does not in itself make anything more likely to be important.

Indeed. The only thing this proves is that people are really, really bad at determining what things are going to catch on and which aren't.

Which is why I take such "Feh! Bitcoin is a fad!" statements as the uninformed nonsense that they are.

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