Alleged Bitcoin Creator Satoshi Nakamoto Denies Bitcoin Involvement • Hacker News Board

Re: Alleged Bitcoin Creator Satoshi Nakamoto Denies Bitcoin Involvement

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Post by VMG » Thu, Mar 06, 2014, 11:33 PM UTC

Steko wrote: post #52

VMG wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you look at the internet comments of Dorian Nakamoto, it is obvious that he is not the same person that wrote the whitepaper or participated in the bitcoin forums: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zpuer/the_newsweek... His skill level is completely different.

The idea that these reddit links are some kind of smoking gun is a bad case of rationalizing. FWIW, my Father in law is a first generation Asian immigrant who is an engineer and for whom English is a second language. His emails to my wife are like the one above - broken English, poor grammar. But I've seen some documents that he's written for work - the early stages of patent applications, for instance - and they rea…

the burden of proof is on those who make the extremely unlikely claim that the person who painstakingly tried to hide his identity used his real name, communicates in native-level english on the Bitcoin forums and purposefully communicates in low-level English on all other internet forums.

Does not make any sense at all.

Re: Alleged Bitcoin Creator Satoshi Nakamoto Denies Bitcoin Involvement

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Post by rachellaw » Thu, Mar 06, 2014, 11:35 PM UTC

this thing's a mess and full of he said she said they said. Honestly I expected better of Newsweek, running an unverified story.

Even if he is the bitcoin creator, it's now forever going to be tainted with uncertainty since there's absolutely no verifiable proof that he is, only a lot of speculation.

Re: Alleged Bitcoin Creator Satoshi Nakamoto Denies Bitcoin Involvement

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Post by georgemcbay » Thu, Mar 06, 2014, 11:37 PM UTC

VMG wrote: post #61

Steko wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea that these reddit links are some kind of smoking gun is a bad case of rationalizing. FWIW, my Father in law is a first generation Asian immigrant who is an engineer and for whom English is a second language. His emails to my wife are like the one above - broken English, poor grammar. But I've seen some documents that he's written for work - the early stages of patent applications, for instance - and they rea…

the burden of proof is on those who make the extremely unlikely claim that the person who painstakingly tried to hide his identity used his real name , communicates in native-level english on the Bitcoin forums and purposefully communicates in low-level English on all other internet forums. Does not make any sense at all.

From where I'm sitting the burden of proof is on those who claim he ever painstakingly tried to hide his identity. To me it looks like someone who doesn't like a lot of personal attention (something I can certainly relate to) creating something to scratch an intellectual itch and that thing grew far larger than he imagined, so he bowed out.

I see no proof that he is someone who was planning complete anonymity from the start, that seems to me like a bolted on rationalization from people confused by his partial disappearing act.

Re: Alleged Bitcoin Creator Satoshi Nakamoto Denies Bitcoin Involvement

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Post by cschmidt » Thu, Mar 06, 2014, 11:40 PM UTC

minimax wrote: post #22

fragsworth wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The anger is coming from the bitcoin community, mostly because they're afraid for Satoshi's life. Someone could kidnap/torture him to try to get his bitcoins.

They obviously think this because wealthy Americans are constantly being kidnapped and tortured for their money. Happens all the time right?

I suppose the difference is that most people with a reported $400 million don't keep it in cash at home. As I understand it, Bitcoin is more like cash in that possession is ownership.

Re: Alleged Bitcoin Creator Satoshi Nakamoto Denies Bitcoin Involvement

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Post by Steko » Thu, Mar 06, 2014, 11:41 PM UTC

VMG wrote: post #61

Steko wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea that these reddit links are some kind of smoking gun is a bad case of rationalizing. FWIW, my Father in law is a first generation Asian immigrant who is an engineer and for whom English is a second language. His emails to my wife are like the one above - broken English, poor grammar. But I've seen some documents that he's written for work - the early stages of patent applications, for instance - and they rea…

the burden of proof is on those who make the extremely unlikely claim that the person who painstakingly tried to hide his identity used his real name , communicates in native-level english on the Bitcoin forums and purposefully communicates in low-level English on all other internet forums. Does not make any sense at all.

Somehow you've mistaken life for a courtroom where we all need to meet the same standard of proof. I don't care what your burden of proof is, the preponderance of the evidence to me says that this is the guy. Now if Newsweek comes out and retracts the fairly unambiguous quotes we saw earlier I'm more than happy to change my views.

Re: Alleged Bitcoin Creator Satoshi Nakamoto Denies Bitcoin Involvement

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Post by anigbrowl » Thu, Mar 06, 2014, 11:42 PM UTC

ck2 wrote: post #38

Why do the press feel entitled to show up on someone's doorstep in mass? That is quite literally trespassing. They just feel like they can get away with it. Leave him alone, if he wanted to be found he would have shared it awhile ago.

IT's not trespassing to go up to someone's front door, otherwise the mail wouldn't get delivered. You can step on to the curtilage of someone's property, but you must leave if you are asked to do so - although nothing prevents you hanging around on the street in front of the property in hopes of getting an interview. If this becomes onerous, one can get a restraining order, but courts are cautious about handing them out to journalists engage din legitimate news gathering.

In short, they feel like they can get away with it because they can legally get away with it.

Re: Alleged Bitcoin Creator Satoshi Nakamoto Denies Bitcoin Involvement

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Post by bertil » Thu, Mar 06, 2014, 11:43 PM UTC

minimax wrote: post #22

fragsworth wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The anger is coming from the bitcoin community, mostly because they're afraid for Satoshi's life. Someone could kidnap/torture him to try to get his bitcoins.

They obviously think this because wealthy Americans are constantly being kidnapped and tortured for their money. Happens all the time right?

Well, there isn’t openly violence from the hackers, but three exchange has been hacked recently (that we know of), leading to at least one suicide… More importantly, such public heist seem to have been able to merge in the mass too fast for anyone to track them: that comes off as a step above a suitcase of unmarked bills. And, yes, it does happen: South Americans, in general, but the order of magnitude of the amont, and the lack of security makes it possible.

It’s hard to assess the actual risk: cartels haven’t necessarily been associated with cryptographers, but Silk Road made a connexion, and home-made submarines have proven a track record of adopting innovation fast and efficiently.

The sliver of risk, no mater how thin, seems not worthy of openly naming the person, as opposed to offering close-up photo and a third party confirmation that the details appear consistent.

Re: Alleged Bitcoin Creator Satoshi Nakamoto Denies Bitcoin Involvement

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Post by anigbrowl » Thu, Mar 06, 2014, 11:44 PM UTC

ChuckMcM wrote: post #2

This mentions 'anger' as in "After a full day of wild speculation and anger, the LA press have finally tracked down Nakamoto and he’s receiving a grilling." I don't get it, who is angry? This guy could be angry about having his life invaded but where is the emotion coming from here?

You were posting in the other HN thread, there were plenty of angry people in that one.

Re: Alleged Bitcoin Creator Satoshi Nakamoto Denies Bitcoin Involvement

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Post by bertil » Thu, Mar 06, 2014, 11:46 PM UTC

Steko wrote: post #39

VMG wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ethics

I missed the ethics class where we decided to give the superrich whatever they want.

You are attacking a retired engineer who lives a zen-like life in a suburban McMansion, after a brain accident because he can get “whatever [he] want?” Really?

Re: Alleged Bitcoin Creator Satoshi Nakamoto Denies Bitcoin Involvement

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Post by bertil » Thu, Mar 06, 2014, 11:48 PM UTC

anigbrowl wrote: post #66

ck2 wrote: post #38

Why do the press feel entitled to show up on someone's doorstep in mass? That is quite literally trespassing. They just feel like they can get away with it. Leave him alone, if he wanted to be found he would have shared it awhile ago.

IT's not trespassing to go up to someone's front door, otherwise the mail wouldn't get delivered. You can step on to the curtilage of someone's property, but you must leave if you are asked to do so - although nothing prevents you hanging around on the street in front of the property in hopes of getting an interview. If this becomes onerous, one can get a restraining order, but courts are cautious about handing them…

I don't think you need to be 150 to “gather information”.