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Re: The Face Behind Bitcoin?

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Topic other than discussing the irresponsibility of "outing" a guy using the clever tricks of using his name and public records look ups. > A libertarian, Nakamoto encouraged his daughter to be independent, start her own business and "not be under the government's thumb," she says. "He was very wary of the government, taxes and people in charge." > What you don't know about him is that he's worked on classified stuff…

It's absolutely not bizarre, hypocritical, paradoxical or even ironic. By your logic, every libertarian who disagrees with taxes (or the level of taxation) should break the law and face the consequences (of a miserable, tortuous life in prison). It's one thing to have a political view, and argue for it. Democracies (and republics) wouldn't have a chance of working if citizens didn't take this much upon themselves. At…

Oh please. Do we have to drag everything to its extreme? The consequences of not paying your taxes are not anywhere near the same as the consequences of not accepting a job in a government position. One lands you in jail. The other lands you in a private sector job, maybe with a pay cut.

Re: The Face Behind Bitcoin?

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isn't the lack of a denial in this instance tantamount to an admission? I mean, if it were me, [...] responded to questions about Bitcoin with "bit-what-now"? If all his friends and family know he shares his name with the creator of bitcoin, he might have already heard all the jokes and think "not this shit again" as well as not being able to credibly deny knowing about it. There's a british general who goes by Mike…

Hearing jokes about it and having a reporter turn up from a well-known national news publication seeking an interview are two entirely different things. Really, these are the sort of arguments I'd expect from a surly 13-year old. If he was some coincicentally named private individual, the obvious thing to do would be to deny being the celebrity Nakamoto, and possibly to advise the reporter to discuss the matter with…

> If he was some coincicentally named private individual, the obvious thing to do ..

Why is that so "obvious"? That may be the obvious choice for you, and maybe it's even the "correct" choice.

But fame is incredibly enticing ego food.

Re: The Face Behind Bitcoin?

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Ah, you're actually really close to understanding the correct principle here! You've just confused a couple of different ideas. First off, cognitive dissonance does not explain any behavior patterns other than those prompted by feeling distressed. If these people were exhibiting symptoms of depression, distress, confusion, etc, or were making their decisions under duress of emotion, you could classify it as cognitive…

Do you find condescending to people gets them to take you more seriously? It has always had the opposite effect for me.

Sorry if I was condescending, I didn't intend to be.

Re: The Face Behind Bitcoin?

#574
post #71

Does the concept of privacy mean anything to Newsweek?

I see it as good investigative journalism. You don't think the single person that potentially originated a new form of global currency that's dominating headlines, and receiving the attention of world leaders is newsworthy? I'm a firm believer in privacy - but when something one has put into the world stands to have a massively disruptive force, it's worth exploring who that person is, and what their motivations are.

How far would you take this? If such a person hid their identity better than Nakamoto and refused all contact (even contact initiated under a false pretense, as in the article), would it be justified to break into their house to learn about them? To follow them to and from work? I'm not trying to be provocative, simply illustrating that the needs of the many (voyeuristic curiosity) do not necessarily outweigh the needs of the few (personal privacy and safety).

Re: The Face Behind Bitcoin?

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post #507

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Right. The whole SpaceX/Armadillo Aerospace/etc. situation that is developing now is almost definitionally Libertarian.

Except that, as far as I know, their main source of revenue is government contracts.

And Elon Musk just testified to Congress to propose having SpaceX put military satellites in orbit at much lower cost (and with more American-built parts...) than Boeing/Lockheed Martin's "United Space Alliance".

Re: The Face Behind Bitcoin?

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Their personal security spending runs millions of dollars a year. For example: http://gizmodo.com/5517656/amazon-ceo-jeff-bezos-has-17m-wor...

So? He can afford it. I'm pretty sure that the real issue here is that if he starts spending his money he's going to get hit with a very large tax bill which he would rather not receive.

I'm not debating the affordability, I'm debating the wonderful crime-free world described by parent, where kidnappings and burglaries just don't happen.

Re: The Face Behind Bitcoin?

#578
post #101

Topic other than discussing the irresponsibility of "outing" a guy using the clever tricks of using his name and public records look ups. > A libertarian, Nakamoto encouraged his daughter to be independent, start her own business and "not be under the government's thumb," she says. "He was very wary of the government, taxes and people in charge." > What you don't know about him is that he's worked on classified stuff…

Non-fing-sequitur straw-man. We can point at ANY part of the sociopolitical spectrum and find hypocrites. I could spew the same sort of such outrageous examples about liberals/leftists/progressives/socialists but won't because it has nothing to do with the topic. Suffice to say Nakamoto did have a change of mind and did do something world-changing about it. And, golly, he is a libertarian who made a herculean effort…

> Suffice to say Nakamoto did have a change of mind and did do something world-changing about it.

It's not clear he actually changed his mind though, at least not since young adulthood. His daughter grew up being told to imagine a government agencies, with the correct reaction being to hide in a closet from there. Nakamoto's views certainly appear to be long-held and consistent.

The "change" that occurred was related more toward having to experience inter-bank transfer fees while buying model trains from the U.K. After all as late as 2001 he was working for the FAA.

Re: The Face Behind Bitcoin?

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So Newsweek hires paparazzo's now? The need to disclose everything about the guy and call several family members etc is really wrong. Which I could undo my click...., no need to invade his privacy so much, "fun to know because interesting" is not a good enough reason to write the article...

The plural of 'paparazzo' is 'paparazzi'.

Re: The Face Behind Bitcoin?

#580

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's absolutely not bizarre, hypocritical, paradoxical or even ironic. By your logic, every libertarian who disagrees with taxes (or the level of taxation) should break the law and face the consequences (of a miserable, tortuous life in prison). It's one thing to have a political view, and argue for it. Democracies (and republics) wouldn't have a chance of working if citizens didn't take this much upon themselves. At…

Oh please. Do we have to drag everything to its extreme? The consequences of not paying your taxes are not anywhere near the same as the consequences of not accepting a job in a government position. One lands you in jail. The other lands you in a private sector job, maybe with a pay cut.

It's not only about extremes.

For one, if you are paying taxes (and otherwise accepting that you live in a republic where you don't get the exact set of laws that you want), most people would feel somewhat entitled to benefit from the use of those taxes, which includes government jobs (or state funded research).

What would be hypocritical is arguing specifically that your own entitlement is more worthy of government support.

I see no hypocrisy in partaking in benefits, while arguing that no one (including yourself) should have to pay for them and no one should benefit either.

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