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Yes, The CIA Spied On Congress

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Re: Yes, The CIA Spied On Congress

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Anyone want to make bets over whether anyone will ever be legally punished over this?

Of course they won't. It would take a politically suicidal president or congressperson to try to rein them in, in any way other than as a token gesture.

Re: Yes, The CIA Spied On Congress

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The thing I would be wondering in a Congressperson's shoes shoes: what other things have I been doing that the CIA has been spying on?

Chilling effects indeed.

And for those inclined to brush that away as implausible, it might be time for a refresher on J. Edgar Hoover and his secret files on political leaders. [1] 50 years later, our tech is a lot better, so it would be much easier to gain inordinate power through surveillance.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Edgar_Hoover

Re: Yes, The CIA Spied On Congress

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Oh man, I hate this as much as the next person, but I think the best thing we can say right now is that there is nowhere near enough (public) evidence that this is a believable allegation. What we have is an article from McClatchy whose title ends in a question mark (“Probe: Did the CIA spy on the U.S. Senate?”), which to me is the red flag of red flags that they have no level of certainty whatsoever. Then the article seems to draw dubious lines between this allegation and some questions in hearings. Other articles building on it imply additional tenuous connections between all this stuff and a letter Mark Udall wrote that may be referencing this vaguely, maybe.

It's a problem that all of this stuff has to remain vague. It gets in the way of our reaching conclusions. But assuming the lack of information is information in and of itself is problematic for me in this case. I think it's fair to wait and see what the justice department's investigation, if any, reveals. If there's no investigation, then we have to make do with the information we have.

The fact that the CIA has been shown to be doing all sorts of terrible stuff doesn't mean that our obligation to be skeptical about allegations in general needs to be suspended. To me, it's likely that this is true, but I won't tout it as fact until something clearer than the current foggy tangle of vague statements emerges.

As a side note, I think the greater question to arise from this is the fact that during a Congressional investigation, it was through agreement that the CIA wasn't supposed to be monitoring Congressional investigators. Why is that sort of thing not clearly ensconced in law?

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