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I want to get into startups, but I don’t know where to start

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Re: I want to get into startups, but I don’t know where to start

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's that second part that's important--even if it's just a github. If I can't see your code, I can't tell if you're just bullshitting really well or actually pretty cool. And no, forking a bunch of other people's repos doesn't count--I will check your commit history.

I've never understood this obsession with public source repositories. What is the difference between experience writing proprietary code and experience writing code that happens to be published on GitHub? Both kinds of experience are valuable. Most tech employers own everything you do, even on your free time. So a large GitHub history can send the message that you're not employed all that much.

So, here's the deal.

I don't think it is fair to expect you to talk about your old company's codebase in an interview--I'd love to have that conversation, but I understand if you wouldn't feel comfortable doing so.

So, I can ask you questions in person, and get some response. Maybe you interview well, and you can answer things easily; maybe because you know your shit, maybe because you crammed with "Crack the Coding Interview"-like books, maybe because you have inside information on what'll come up in the interview.

Maybe you interview poorly, and if I ask you to whiteboard something you have a panic attack even though you know it cold. Maybe you are having an off day, or our conversation just flows the wrong way and you don't communicate to me the experience I'm looking for that you already have.

By contrast, if I have your github (or sourceforge, or bitbucket, or whatever), I can infer certain things about you: I know what languages you write in, I know whether you roll things from scratch or make little changes to other people's projects, I know how much you care about code quality and commits, I know what sorts of projects you like to work on in your free time.

In an interview, I can (and will!) ask you about some code that you've written, both good and bad, and I can see how you respond--are you defensive, apologetic, humble, humorous? I can ask questions about specific projects, work through your thought process, and get a much better feel for how you are on a team.

As to your question "What is the difference between experience writing proprietary code and experience writing code that happens to be published on GitHub?"

The difference is that I know for certain you can use git, I know that you aren't hiding behind your team on that project, and I know what lines of code you did and did not write (barring certain corner cases). Proprietary code is also usually pretty fucking dull, honestly: you're usually patching or hacking in some business logic for a legacy app that isn't that great to begin with. If I cared about that, I'd just hire some legions of code monkeys from India and be done with my problem.

Re: I want to get into startups, but I don’t know where to start

#32

Another point that should be brought up is to not overvalue yourself. I remember asking Justin (from JTV/exec/socialcam) in 2011 for some advice - I was working in the corporate world and was ready to make the jump to a startup. At the time I was an IT consultant and was looking for PM roles at Dropbox/Foursquare/insert hot startup here. He gave some much needed but harsh feedback, essentially asking "Why should they…

Isn't a reasonable answer to his question along the lines of "I am proven; I worked for X years on these Y projects". I'm not sure why so many startup people seem to think that non-startup experience is worthless. It limits the points of view and types of problem-solving experience you have available in your company if you're only willing to hire people who fit into a limited bucket like that.

Very good point - I should probably add in my story - I ended up not wanting to take an APM or AM role that would pay me 30%+ less and was a perceived gigantic step back in my career, so I was on the verge of taking a director of systems engineering role along the lines of what I was doing at the time but at the last minute a really awesome BD opportunity opened up at a friend's company and I took it.

My main point was just to be realistic about your opportunities

Re: I want to get into startups, but I don’t know where to start

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And we have nothing. Startups are nowhere to be found on campus colleges, maybe with the exception of Stanford and MIT.

Here in the UK we have a startup job fair called Silicon Milkroundabout [1]. At the moment it's London-based, but it attracts a huge amount of college grads. I suspect they'll soon be moving into doing or taking part in job fairs at Universities around the UK, because they're growing pretty quickly at the moment.

Maybe they also need to start making their way into the US, too.

[1] http://siliconmilkroundabout.com/

Re: I want to get into startups, but I don’t know where to start

#34
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>negotiations, there are plenty good books out there. Such as? As a programmer that can't negotiate a decent salary/consulting rate I would find this useful.

The best and most valuable class I took in B-School was my last class, which was on negotiations. Nothing earth shattering but bits of wisdom when assembled together can really change your perspective on how to approach things.

The basic problem is that whether due to culture or nature we tend to approach transactions as zero sum games (aka distributive), ie if I get something you must lose something. Negotiation is about thinking in terms of widening the pie, ie creating a win-win for all (integrative). Even in situations where it can appear there is no win-win, there often is.

Want a better rate? determine the value of what you are bringing to your client, then price your service accordingly. If they balk, then you make your case based on your analysis.

The text we used in class is this: http://www.amazon.com/The-Mind-Heart-Negotiator-Edition/dp/0...

I believe it is suitable for pretty much anyone who can read.

Re: I want to get into startups, but I don’t know where to start

#35
post #25

For me personally it is more like: I want to get into startups, but I don’t want to give up my large paycheck and 40 hour work week. The article does not address the money issue.

Then you don't want to get into startups. That's not really what this article is about, though.

It's still an important filter though and I think should have been mentioned. For people that think they want to get into startups but are unaware of the realities of the salaries, benefits, bonuses, number of raises etc, becoming aware of that is more important than deciding where you can help.

Re: I want to get into startups, but I don’t know where to start

#36
My problem is not finding a suitable role within a startup, it is getting the opportunity to interview. I have been in commercial real estate in NYC for the past three years. While my role is that of a financial analyst, my day-to-day responsibilities encompass brokerage, client relations, analytics, and research. I have applied to many different both early and late stage startups for both sales and business development roles and have had a very difficult time getting an interview. I once called a hiring manager that did not get back to me and asked why it was that I did not get the interview. I was told that my experience was not in tech sales; thus, they didn't think I would be a good fit. Do you have any advice for current members of the work force looking to break into the startup realm?

Re: I want to get into startups, but I don’t know where to start

#37

"unless it was a large startup and the founder herself had gone to that school." Small gripe, but "herself"? Better as "and the founder had gone…" Even him/herself is a good option. "Finally, our sector is on top and these young people want to come and join us." It's like saying "and these young women…"

Funny, I don't see many corrections on here when articles use male pronouns incorrectly.

Re: I want to get into startups, but I don’t know where to start

#38
post #9

>negotiations, there are plenty good books out there. Such as? As a programmer that can't negotiate a decent salary/consulting rate I would find this useful.

tl;dr version: Leverage = BATNA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_alternative_to_a_negotiate...

Re: I want to get into startups, but I don’t know where to start

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I started my career at SAP. Although I feel like I'm behind the "startup curve" because I spent 4 years there, the lessons I learned about managing teams and understanding complexities in a large company are absolutely priceless. I don't believe it was a mistake whatsoever. You and I are probably being too pedantic, but I agree, it was a poor choice of words. Lately, I've noticed a meme from investors about discernin…

By and large, I suspect the only Internet companies that would ever need to exceed Dunbar's number[1] are those that have to implement advertising and sales functions. What is the largest subscription-based or one-time-purchase site? 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number

> have to implement sales functions

So, pretty much any business? There are so few companies out there, especially venture backed ones, that the employee headcount hasn't scaled with the growth. We just hear of the Instagram/WhatsApp acquisitions with low head count so often here in the echo chamber that we assume it's norm. To take that further, how many companies are at FB/SalesForce/WorkDay/Twitter-level that don't have over 500 employees (much less 1,000s)? I can only think of very few - 37signals, Valve, etc?

My larger point - VCs in SV want to fund billion dollar businesses and founders who can create billion dollar businesses. These billion dollar businesses need large amounts of headcount and a CEO who can take them there.

Re: I want to get into startups, but I don’t know where to start

#40

"unless it was a large startup and the founder herself had gone to that school." Small gripe, but "herself"? Better as "and the founder had gone…" Even him/herself is a good option. "Finally, our sector is on top and these young people want to come and join us." It's like saying "and these young women…"

Former university English instructor here; the usage you are critiquing is widely regarded as a good tradeoff between deferring to the gendering baked into our language and recognizing the integration of a population.

It's often much easier to write and read pronouns, and it is my opinion (though far from an accepted truth) that alternating him/her when contextually appropriate is less clunky than using the him/herself construction.

As a writing instructor, I personally have no problem with "himself" being used in a broader, non-gendered construction... and for the same reason have no problem with a similar usage of "herself", though as I say, opinions vary.

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