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Re: Jumpstarter launches “next-gen hosting”, promising sub-second server spin-up

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Post by laurasanders »

sergiotapia wrote: post #27

I'm very interested in this. Do you guys support Rails 4, PostgreSQL? There are a few icons there in the landing page but no tooltips or anything to let me know what they are. I want something in between DigitalOcean (barebones) and Heroku (configures everything but doesn't let you customize anything either) - this seems like a perfect fit.

Hi! Thanks for your interest.

We don't support Rails and PostgreSQL quite yet, but they are both in our future plans, so we should have support for them soon.

You can also make requests on our wiki for frameworks you would like us to support: https://github.com/jumpstarter-io/help/issues

Re: Jumpstarter launches “next-gen hosting”, promising sub-second server spin-up

#32

Post by AznHisoka »

laurasanders wrote: post #7
TruthSHIFT wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd like to know that as well. It's interesting that they focus on WordPress. A custom WordPress install could potentially have several requests that make up a given page. Wordpress isn't really designed with reducing the requests in mind.

A request is a http request. Wordpress is getting increasingly better at keeping requests lower. And it's all up to a user how they optimise; they can get it down to just a couple of requests if they wish.

both outbound and inbound requests?

Re: Jumpstarter launches “next-gen hosting”, promising sub-second server spin-up

#33

Post by zachinglis »

AznHisoka wrote: post #29
laurasanders wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's aimed at anyone who wants their hosting to be easy. It saves time and worry so you can just concentrate on your code without lots of hassle.

Hah, that's silly. If you wanted me to concentrate on coding,you'd help me with automated deployment, automated backup of my postgres db every night (even if it reaches 2 TB+ in space), etc, etc. Your solution isn't geared towards developers at all.

There's a wide variety of skills and wants from developers. The fact is; we have a user base of developers who do want us. And I personally, as a developer want us.

We have git automated deployment being released this week. And if your database is 2TBs, you want an Enterprise Solution.

You can currently snapshot your projects, in the same manner we do for failovers.

But we'll definitely keep your opinion in mind, thank you.

Re: Jumpstarter launches “next-gen hosting”, promising sub-second server spin-up

#34

Post by jsnell »

laurasanders wrote: post #23
frade33 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yeah I am aware of it, but my mom does not ;) on a sidenote, you have entered pretty much competitive market with tons of 'major players'. Deep down in our hearts we all know, what 'quality hosting mean'. They are all the same. some of them suck much other less. They all have down time. It's only up to you pay more or less for having almost same service from any of them. You are only good for them as long as, you hav…

That has indeed been the way for many years and a valid worry. And yet, we're changing it. A lot of hosting companies are white labelled without any major differences. Our tech was completely written from the ground up to combat this. As said in the marketing materials; if you have a spike, we handle it fine. We've done intensive testing to make sure that being linked to from Hacker News, or anywhere else that gives…

So your website and this comment seem to be highlighting automatic scaling as the major advantage of the system. But I'm not really getting why you think it is worth highlighting. It almost seems like the opposite, with scalability being the weak point.

As far as I can see, your architecture is explicitly limited to a single instance of each app at a time, so there is almost no scope for scaling at all in the first place. The only reason it would probably not be an issue in practice is that the request limits are absurdly low. The story is further weakened by no mention anywhere of what happens when the paid for quota is exceeded -- this seems like a key detail that's completely glossed over.

I can see the point of selling a system like this to less technical users based on an ease of use or the conceptual simplicity of an application as a filesystem. Even if the suggested advantages, such as no need for deploying code and easy copy-paste for starting new projects, make me shudder a bit. But selling on scalability just makes no sense, it almost comes across as snake oil.

Re: Jumpstarter launches “next-gen hosting”, promising sub-second server spin-up

#35

Post by peterwwillis »

laurasanders wrote: post #8

Hi! Laura from Jumpstarter here. :) Hoping to answer any questions.

Suggestion more than question. I like your Getting Started wiki page, but it would be good [for me] to break those down into individual pages with either screenshots or replicated HTML5 to show each step of the experience. One quick Hello World example on your tour would help me grok what your product actually offers (or how I would use it) better.

Re: Jumpstarter launches “next-gen hosting”, promising sub-second server spin-up

#36

Post by zachinglis »

jsnell wrote: post #34
laurasanders wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That has indeed been the way for many years and a valid worry. And yet, we're changing it. A lot of hosting companies are white labelled without any major differences. Our tech was completely written from the ground up to combat this. As said in the marketing materials; if you have a spike, we handle it fine. We've done intensive testing to make sure that being linked to from Hacker News, or anywhere else that gives…

So your website and this comment seem to be highlighting automatic scaling as the major advantage of the system. But I'm not really getting why you think it is worth highlighting. It almost seems like the opposite, with scalability being the weak point. As far as I can see, your architecture is explicitly limited to a single instance of each app at a time, so there is almost no scope for scaling at all in the first p…

We don't do horizontal scaling, correct. We have some great advantages of not doing that. We isolate your project, and give it as many resources as it needs.

The largest instance we can put you on is equivalent to 100 Heroku dynamos for instance. And we plan on growing that farther.

I have a blog on a popular host, and when I got hit by Hacker News my server fell over. Doing so caused me to lose a lot of the reads and garner plenty of complaints from here. It can be a total pain, and every time my posts appear on HN, I get scared inside if the project isn't on HN.

As for simplicity; it's not just the filesystem. The panel itself is easy to use, and we're continually adding more relevant features to help people just focus on staying in flow and working on their code.

If we can save devs any time, we've won. And I think we save them a lot of time.

Re: Jumpstarter launches “next-gen hosting”, promising sub-second server spin-up

#37

Post by zachinglis »

laurasanders wrote: post #31
sergiotapia wrote: post #27

I'm very interested in this. Do you guys support Rails 4, PostgreSQL? There are a few icons there in the landing page but no tooltips or anything to let me know what they are. I want something in between DigitalOcean (barebones) and Heroku (configures everything but doesn't let you customize anything either) - this seems like a perfect fit.

Hi! Thanks for your interest. We don't support Rails and PostgreSQL quite yet, but they are both in our future plans, so we should have support for them soon. You can also make requests on our wiki for frameworks you would like us to support: https://github.com/jumpstarter-io/help/issues

I personally want Rails and PostgreSQL too. We've talked about it a lot and its definitely something we're keen on implementing :)

Re: Jumpstarter launches “next-gen hosting”, promising sub-second server spin-up

#38

Post by deelowe »

laurasanders wrote: post #26
mattmanser wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If someone got Hacker News'd they'd immediately owe you $799 by the look of those prices. It's like you guys don't know anything about normal website traffic volumes, which isn't a good sign for a host.

We won't be charging people extra or forcing them to change their plan if you have a sudden influx of visits from Hacker News or another site. We will consider that a temporary traffic spike and we will be happy that you are in the spotlight rather than trying to charge you more! The plans are based on your usual monthly usage, so if you continued to get the same number of requests monthly, we would talk to you at th…

In other words, something akin to 95th percentile billing? Odd that you didn't use terms like that in the response. Most experienced hosts or ISPs would.

Re: Jumpstarter launches “next-gen hosting”, promising sub-second server spin-up

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Post by larrys »

laurasanders wrote: post #12
frakkingcylons wrote: post #2

Couldn't find a link to their site in the article: http://jumpstarter.io/

Thank you!

On that page all I'm getting is text:

"Pricing Tour Support Sign up Login"

No links. View source code shows html though.

This is on ffox latest and safari latest.

Re: Jumpstarter launches “next-gen hosting”, promising sub-second server spin-up

#40

Post by spyder »

laurasanders wrote: post #23
frade33 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yeah I am aware of it, but my mom does not ;) on a sidenote, you have entered pretty much competitive market with tons of 'major players'. Deep down in our hearts we all know, what 'quality hosting mean'. They are all the same. some of them suck much other less. They all have down time. It's only up to you pay more or less for having almost same service from any of them. You are only good for them as long as, you hav…

That has indeed been the way for many years and a valid worry. And yet, we're changing it. A lot of hosting companies are white labelled without any major differences. Our tech was completely written from the ground up to combat this. As said in the marketing materials; if you have a spike, we handle it fine. We've done intensive testing to make sure that being linked to from Hacker News, or anywhere else that gives…

And what happens when the spike causes the reaching of request limit?
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