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The Indian sanitary pad revolutionary

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Re: The Indian sanitary pad revolutionary

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I have read a lot on the subject of how civil rights and the rule of law allowed the emergence of the Industrial Revolution, and this story reminds of that earlier epoch. As late as the 1670s, England was still burning witches (male and female) at the stake, to punish them for their witchcraft. But then Newton publishes Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica in 1687, the Glorious Revolution of 1688 brings in a new regime, the English Bill of Rights of 1689 ensures everyone a trial if they are accused, everyone has civil rights, and suddenly, among the legal and intellectual elites, it becomes widely understood that witchcraft does not actually exist, everything can be explained by science, and people doing weird stuff need to have their civil rights protected. And by the early 1700s men like Jethro Tull and Charles Townsend kick off the Agricultural Revolution, doing weird stuff like feeding turnips to cows and collecting all the manure -- spooky weird stuff that might have gotten them accused of witchcraft just 30 years earlier.

And this story reminds of that earlier epoch. When you bring in real innovation (innovation that touches upon people's profoundest taboo's and fears) you either have civil rights, or you end up dead. And it does say something hopeful about India that this man knew his basic civil rights were going to protect him from accusations of witchcraft. Though, of course, this part suggests that India could still improve its protections quite a bit:

"Worse was to come. The villagers became convinced he was possessed by evil spirits, and were about to chain him upside down to a tree to be "healed" by the local soothsayer. He only narrowly avoided this treatment by agreeing to leave the village. It was a terrible price to pay. "My wife gone, my mum gone, ostracised by my village" he says. "I was left all alone in life.""

Re: The Indian sanitary pad revolutionary

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The article mentions that commercial napkins sold for 4 rupees despite cotton being 1/4000th the cost, but also says farther down that the locally produced ones sell for an average of 2.5 rupees each. That's a 38% discount: significant, but it doesn't seem like a game-changing difference to me. I imagine that if this catches on, the larger manufacturers will likely just cut their margins to compete. On a more general…

One of the biggest problems with this forum is very narrow minded view of things looking through a limited binoculars of a capitalist culture when everything has to boil down to profit in pure money terms. What this guy is achieving is more than bringing down the price. The job he is creating for these women is providing incalculable benefit to themselves, their families, their children and is adding more to the soci…

"I don't consider the bloody ROI." - Tim Cook [1]

1: http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/tim-cook-soundly-reje...

Re: The Indian sanitary pad revolutionary

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As an Indian, I can see what pain this guy went through. Fighting the society to build a start up like this, with this kind of taboo attached to the product? All the best trying to build a start up at the first place. You are almost treated like you are doing it because you absolutely are incapable of doing anything else. And having the gumption to fight years of laughter, isolation, mockery and ridicule to only chas…

I am not Indian, but from a European country, and I had lots of things in common with this person when I created my start up.

When you want to change the world, nobody understands you.

Then suddenly things start working, and everybody "just knew" what you were doing was important.

They say that you identify pioneers by the arrows in their back.

Re: The Indian sanitary pad revolutionary

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Thank you, quite right. The ongoing fight by (a slowly shrinking segment of) American society to continue blatant persecution of gay people is one of our most shameful failings. And I agree, the Church (big C) is largely responsible.

The Catholic Church teaches against persecution of gay people. From the Catechism of the Catholic Church: 2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avo…

There's also a biblically established protocol for dealing with sinners established by one 'Jesus' in the New Testament. (It starts with a baseline of having a nice civilized dinner with them even if people gossip about it, and continues all the way to laying down your life for their protection if it ever should come to that.)

Re: The Indian sanitary pad revolutionary

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Maybe not anymore (at least in the west), but the bible does have that stuff in it too. http://www.openbible.info/topics/menstruation

These practices wouldn't have been observed by Christians, except perhaps by early Jewish converts.

Wouldn't because they are in Old Testament? Like the famous http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Exodus-22-18/ which was also "not" observed by Christians:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch_trials_in_the_Early_Moder...

Re: The Indian sanitary pad revolutionary

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> ... its actually good sense. It's only "good sense" if, and this is a big if, (a) we have a strict scientific understanding of what we mean when we say "unclean" and (b) we know that we have literally no other way of mitigating this "uncleanliness." Just as surgeons learned to sterilize themselves and their equipment once they had a scientific understanding of infection, we now have lots of scientific understanding…

No one knew scientifically for thousands of years why pigs were unclean. Or shellfish, or 80% of the stuff that was considered 'unclean' food according to the first testament. Now a days there is a particular scientific explanation for it... traditionally it was the pig rolls around in its own feces, and smells bad, and folks seem to get sick from its meat... the menstruation situation, its bloody, it smells bad, and…

Ah I see. You failed to define "village water supply" as an open stream or river.

You also failed to explain why only women are "unclean" in this scenario, since men and animals are also covered in dirt and germs when they bathe. Wouldn't all people and animals be "unclean" then? Seems like the "pretty rational" behavior of keeping women out of the water fails to account for "unclean" men and animals as well.

Please explain.

Re: The Indian sanitary pad revolutionary

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This is something that makes me both proud and sad about my home country India. We are still struggling with some of the basic problems that the developed world probably solved 100 years back. It makes me even more sad that just 60 years back India was hardly behind any other developed country.

Arunchalam's example is also a classic case of how Indian government has destroyed India's entrepreneurial zeal. When Arun introduced his cheap sanitary pad making machine, Indian government woke up and see an opportunity to gain votes of poor and goodwill of large companies.

Indian government came up with a scheme where poor women will get a "fixed" quota per month of sanitary pads paid for by tax payers.

--- Ministry of Health and Family Welfare (MHFW) is set to embark upon an ambitious programme, reports The Hindu on 21st February 2010, to reach about 200 million women with 100 sanitary pads per person per annum with a budget of some INR 20 billion in next 3 to 6 months.

-- [Source: One of the email threads I was exchanging on this matter with a friend in government]

This is another Indian government scam where big companies like Johnson and Johnson etc. will provide these pads at taxpayers cost to the poor women while politicians will take their cut. Going by past experience even the pads wont reach the women.

Those who might be aware of India's economic history, it is full of such scams. Indian government often ran government sponsored health campaigns claiming things like

- "Wash your hands with soap after and before having food and going to toilet else it will will cause diseases."

- "Use iodized salt in food else your children will be born retarded".

- "Use toothbrush and toothpaste"

The reality is, even in rural areas the level of hygiene is way better. People used handmade soaps and herbal alternatives for soap. (Even I used them in my childhood). During my childhood oral hygiene involved brushing teeth with 5 different types of leaves, gargling with hot water mixed with a mixture of 15 different kind of powders which were comprised of different kind of tree skins, herbs and roots. My father still knows the formula and I used it successfully when I developed a gum related infection.

And you know what? Indians used plenty of sea salt in their food. We ate salted fish, Salted Pickles and what not.

Today it so happens that all these small scale industries are already dead. Not because they failed to innovate or compete on price. (In reality some companies like Vico succeeded with these traditional products) They failed because government actively tried to kill them in the name of public welfare.

Today I am buying a Colegate toothpaste which claims to contain "sea salt". The TV ad of this toothpaste shows a grandpa showing his grandson that his teeth are stronger at 80 purely because he used sea salt to brush his teeth in past. There are other companies out there which are selling toothpastes claiming to contain the exact same herbs that we used in past (Miswaak, Babool etc.)

When I visit Target and Wallmart I often see shelves full of crudely packaged soaps titled "Handmade Soap" selling at 3x the price of normal soap.

I feel sad for Arunachalam and many other people I know who are mad just like him because rest of us Indian citizens have failed to make a political choice which would have heralded these men as heroes.

Unsolicited Advice to Americans: I see American government taking same direction as that of Indian government in past and present. Pushing private interests of few in the name of poor. Buying votes by redistribution of wealth while wrecking incentives to be innovative. I might be wrong. But there is no cost to being cautious.

Re: The Indian sanitary pad revolutionary

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The optimal technical solution to this problem, for the vast majority of the population, is menstrual cups. They are completely reusable and generally perform better. To me the long term challenge is the social problem of convincing people that menstrual cups are not gross and are not going to hurt them. I totally respect this guy for finding an intermediate solution that helps his community though. I don't live in I…

Don't know about that. From talking with my wife they are very messy and need to be cleaned a lot or they smell, like boiled every day or two - so that's why there are disposable ones and they are more popular. Also you need a lot of clean tissues each time you insert, rinse, and replace it - which brings you right back to the using dirty rags again cause there is stigma to clean and dry them properly in those cultur…

It sounds like your wife is the kind of person who wants her body to be completely free of any sort of body smells and doesn't want to come in contact with any kind of body fluids. Those are exactly what I was referring to when I said there is cultural resistance. My community are "pro-natural" and don't have issue with the smell, nor do they use tissues. They just use their hands and believe that vaginas and menstrual fluid have scents and that it's ok. It's just cultural differences.

Re: The Indian sanitary pad revolutionary

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Religions (and consequently certain traditions) that have survived until today have an incredible obsession with mensturation. This is just another stick to beat and humiliate women with. It is unbelievable (for a questioning, inquisitive human being) that Bronze Age traditions and beliefs are still revered today.

I'm not aware of an obsession with menstruation in any major variant of Christianity.

Not to offend anyone but Christianity is basically just a crazy death cult. I've been fighting the ignorance of this religion my entire life.
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