Russia approves use of military in Ukraine • Hacker News Board

Re: Russia approves use of military in Ukraine

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Post by scarmig » Sun, Mar 02, 2014, 8:42 PM UTC

toyg wrote: post #248

danmaz74 wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Baseless accusations = nothing was happening in Crimea. You yourself said that the new government "might", that "it's fair to expect", etc. For the time being, it's Russia which isn't respecting previous agreements, ie, not to try to take apart Ukraine. And the fact that Russian interests are clearly threatened is NOT a moral justification for invading a foreign nation. Otherwise, every war would be justified.

>For the time being, it's Russia which isn't respecting previous agreements, ie, not to try to take apart Ukraine. Nuland's call clearly shows that the US administration has actively supported the overthrowing of an elected government. This comes after $5bn of investments to "democratise" (i.e. de-russify) Ukraine in the last 10 years. Is that "respecting previous agreements"? >And the fact that Russian interests are…

This entire frame is insane. The USA and EU certainly have their own interests in Ukraine, but by the sounds of it you think the protests were part of a US/EU strategy to engineer an artificial coup.

And your critiques are incoherent. First you claim that the protests are the works of ultra-nationalist neo-nazis, then you move to saying that all the developments of the past couple months are the work of the EU, USA, and Russia? It makes no sense. The neo-nazis you link to above are relatively fringe groups with little influence (though a propensity to violence), but they despise the EU and USA as much as they do Russia. There may be a path to reconcile these seemingly very contradictory stances, but it's very, very narrow and you don't seem to to realize they need to be reconciled.

Re: Russia approves use of military in Ukraine

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Post by xixixao » Mon, Mar 03, 2014, 2:22 PM UTC

davidw wrote: post #12

xixixao wrote: post #6

I am glad this has finally got to the top of HN. People should be aware of the fact that a part of sovereign country is being aggressively annexed by their neighbor. And there is virtually no opposition to Putin in Russia.

> I am glad this has finally got to the top of HN Because once HN is aware of it, we'll... uhm... Send Putin some nasty Perl scripts? This, like almost all political / breaking news stories, is probably off topic for this site, given the guidelines: http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html "Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Video…

I would agree if it weren't for the following:

There are already many political topics discussed here. That's a reality. As people always point out, they are interesting to large number of people. Maybe HN is over the purely-technical-topics phase.

I know many Americans read HN and this is a great opportunity to spread the word amongst those who might not have the experience to care. U.S. is still a democracy and at least in terms of public popularity its politicians care about their citizens' opinions. So, no Pearl scripts, but maybe this will help strengthen the U.S. position which is of paramount importance at this point.

Re: Russia approves use of military in Ukraine

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Post by xixixao » Mon, Mar 03, 2014, 2:22 PM UTC

davidw wrote: post #12

xixixao wrote: post #6

I am glad this has finally got to the top of HN. People should be aware of the fact that a part of sovereign country is being aggressively annexed by their neighbor. And there is virtually no opposition to Putin in Russia.

> I am glad this has finally got to the top of HN Because once HN is aware of it, we'll... uhm... Send Putin some nasty Perl scripts? This, like almost all political / breaking news stories, is probably off topic for this site, given the guidelines: http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html "Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Video…

I would agree if it weren't for the following:

There are already many political topics discussed here. That's a reality. As people always point out, they are interesting to large number of people. Maybe HN is over the purely-technical-topics phase.

I know many Americans read HN and this is a great opportunity to spread the word amongst those who might not have the experience to care. U.S. is still a democracy and at least in terms of public popularity its politicians care about their citizens' opinions. So, no Pearl scripts, but maybe this will help strengthen the U.S. position which is of paramount importance at this point.

Re: Russia approves use of military in Ukraine

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Post by xixixao » Mon, Mar 03, 2014, 2:22 PM UTC

davidw wrote: post #12

xixixao wrote: post #6

I am glad this has finally got to the top of HN. People should be aware of the fact that a part of sovereign country is being aggressively annexed by their neighbor. And there is virtually no opposition to Putin in Russia.

> I am glad this has finally got to the top of HN Because once HN is aware of it, we'll... uhm... Send Putin some nasty Perl scripts? This, like almost all political / breaking news stories, is probably off topic for this site, given the guidelines: http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html "Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Video…

I would agree if it weren't for the following:

There are already many political topics discussed here. That's a reality. As people always point out, they are interesting to large number of people. Maybe HN is over the purely-technical-topics phase.

I know many Americans read HN and this is a great opportunity to spread the word amongst those who might not have the experience to care. U.S. is still a democracy and at least in terms of public popularity its politicians care about their citizens' opinions. So, no Pearl scripts, but maybe this will help strengthen the U.S. position which is of paramount importance at this point.

Re: Russia approves use of military in Ukraine

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Post by dk8996 » Mon, Mar 03, 2014, 8:06 PM UTC

toyg wrote: post #242

danmaz74 wrote: post #3

It looks to me like it was all organized from the start: If using the economic pressure of gas prices wasn't enough to keep Ukraine in the Russian sphere of influence, they were ready to seize Crimea and maybe something more...

Do you think the US invasion of Panama was drawn on a napkin? Of course the Russians would have plans, like the US military have plans to take over Mexico or Canada. It's their job to come up with such plans, even if war has not been declared or is unlikely to ever be declared.

Its true every military power has plans for military action against other countries/territories. Its a known fact that US has military plans for China and even Canada.