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Japanese honorifics extend tremendously beyond name suffixes.

I'm digging further off-topic, but anyway: as a non-japanese speaker and someone who spontaneously thinks in terms of optimization, I'm amazed by the seemingly gratuitously complicated rules of politeness in that language. Does it require concentration for a native to avoid faux-pas in a discussion? Can it become much more difficult depending on your social origins (i.e. how effective is it as a social discriminant)?…

(Disclaimer: I don’t know anything about Japanese.)

Complicated grammar in general generally comes from historical traces: there often is a literature associated to it, nuances that express best the ambiguities of life and what you might want to hide from. Case in point: relationship statuses, and the many way to say ‘mmh friend’.

When associated to people via honorifics, these are things people care deeply about, both because they came at what seem a cost (PhDs are hard, promotions longed for, and Noblesse Oblige) and, after being repeated every time one was addressed to, became a core part of your identity. The fact that they are flattering makes it even more crucial. Think of parents who insist on being called ‘Mum’ and ‘Dad’: of course you know what their first names are, but using them can be seen as a lack of love, or respect for their authority, or consideration for the spectacular sacrifice they made. It remains hard to explain why on the spot: it just hurts, and comes off as defiant.

There is finally (and that is certainly true in Japanese high society) an attachement to class & country, a way to protect what was once precious and unique and unpregnable. That actually takes the form of genuine and sincere preference for the formal and appropriate: I would be offended if someone told ‘I love opera, it's so-o fricking cool!’ Yes, it is, and I consider the Opera to be a very buoyant and accessible art form, like Hollywood; but it still comes with a decorum that became part of my enjoyment of it.

Japanese, especially business people, are confronted to foreigners enough to understand that doesn't come naturally. Kerpeles however does more than ignore that: even in French (probably the second most culture riddled with grammatical antique quirks -- and I'd know, I am French and love those) he comes off as defiant, irrespectful, and likely to have willingly commited what some accuse him off. That’s not ignorance from his part, but open lack of respect for institutions. Those could be modernised and improve, but they still serve a purpose. Like anyone who's worked at university, I don’t call ‘doctor’ anyone with a PhD, but I still think it’s the most compelling experience someone can go through and I’d understand if, like in Italy and Germany, that remains part of everyday interactions.

Re: Mt. Gox Has Been Hacked by People Trying to Find Out What Happened?

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Using floats to represent currency is a big no-no. Floats have limited precision, and some numbers aren't representable by floats. Go try adding 0.1 to itself over and over again in your favorite implementation. It is better to represent as integers or fixed-precision numbers. That way, you are dealing with exact quantities.

Could make all the same arguments against integers: - Limited precision, - Some numbers aren't representable, - Go try adding 1 to itself over and over again. That said, yes, floats are a bad idea for financial arithmetic.

You can make the same arguments against integers, but you'd need to be willfully blind to the context of the discussion. There are no monetary quantities that can't be represented as integers. Using a scheme that can't represent 1/3 to record numbers for which 1/3 is an illegal value doesn't present any practical or theoretical problems.

Re: Mt. Gox Has Been Hacked by People Trying to Find Out What Happened?

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Yes, he was saying "ore", which is an incredibly rude and amateur mistake. In English, that would be like be entering an important business meeting with a bank and saying, "Yo dude, wassup?"

That isn't how you do it?

Depends on whether I can make sense of the *nix joke on the banker’s t-shirt, or if I can tell how many months of salary his tie is worth.

Re: Mt. Gox Has Been Hacked by People Trying to Find Out What Happened?

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Wow, that's a lot of my personal data leaked in these last months. My email and encrypted password in the adobe breach, my user id and part of my mobile number via SnapChat, and now hackers potentially have scans of my passport courtesy of Mt. Gox. I'm probably forgetting about some leaks, and who knows how many security breaches were never discovered. The internet is not a safe place.

Just a few years back I thought my biggest security risk was myself. In retrospect, this seems horrifically naive: The services I use outnumber me so vastly that the 10 or so breaches that I'm aware of, merely counting the services that I use, seems astoundingly low.

Be aware that they also have a different attack surface, and are likely more notorious/interesting than you as a single person. While I agree that keeping control over your own security is a good thing, the comparison you're making is dangerously biased.

Re: Mt. Gox Has Been Hacked by People Trying to Find Out What Happened?

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post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Japanese honorifics extend tremendously beyond name suffixes.

I'm digging further off-topic, but anyway: as a non-japanese speaker and someone who spontaneously thinks in terms of optimization, I'm amazed by the seemingly gratuitously complicated rules of politeness in that language. Does it require concentration for a native to avoid faux-pas in a discussion? Can it become much more difficult depending on your social origins (i.e. how effective is it as a social discriminant)?…

Although the rules are complicated, I lived in Japan for awhile, and almost no one Japanese would be offended by a foreigner getting it only mostly right. This is not terribly hard. It suffices for foreigners to observe the basics.

As explained below, Karpeles referred to himself as "ore". "Ore" is mostly used by men, and carries a boastful tone. Moreover, pronouns aren't necessary to make grammatical sentences, e.g. "I went to the bank" = "Ginko ni ikimashita" = "[Bank] [to] [did go]".

The only function of the word "ore" is to emphasize your own high status relative to whomever you're speaking to. In a bar, after a couple of drinks, among equals, it's quite typical for all the men (usually not women) to use "ore". But in a formal business meeting --- this is known to be an absolute no-no by anyone who has formally learned even a small amount of Japanese.

A fairly close analogy in English would be to randomly sprinkle the word "fuck" in your speech.

Re: Mt. Gox Has Been Hacked by People Trying to Find Out What Happened?

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post #76

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I don't know about honorifics, but he was using "ore," according to Reddit. If he wrote the letter on the front page of Mt Gox, there are some weird/offputting polite language mistakes, too. (I can't listen to the recording right now and wouldn't get much out of it even if I could, since I can't hear well enough. :-/)

I usually hear 'ore' from people who learned their Japanese by watching shonen anime. Even outside of a business meeting, in normal conversation, it would be offensive to most people I think.

It's not offensive, it's just not right for business. Outside of work, men use ore (tough and manly) or boku (boyish and charming) in regular conversation. Some my co-workers even use ore at the office if they're making a joke or something.

Re: Mt. Gox Has Been Hacked by People Trying to Find Out What Happened?

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post #75

So what you have here is: * People who know how to properly right code, don't mess with bitcoin because they understand the involved complexity and high risk of error since money is at stake * People who don't give a damn about the complexity and are prone to risk, but lack the technical skill to support their ventures (MtGox was 50% of the time not scaling well enough. The website was slow even when not under DDOS).…

What we have here is one person who can't write write right.

Re: Mt. Gox Has Been Hacked by People Trying to Find Out What Happened?

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post #88
post #76

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I usually hear 'ore' from people who learned their Japanese by watching shonen anime. Even outside of a business meeting, in normal conversation, it would be offensive to most people I think.

What does the use of 'ore' imply and what makes it rude? Is it a snobby way of referring to yourself?

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Re: Mt. Gox Has Been Hacked by People Trying to Find Out What Happened?

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Thought I'll quickly scan the source code... On the first screen: $bean->Coins = (int)round($info['balance'] * 100000000); Really? Currency as a float and rounding? Just so that he can later: $client->sendToAddress($addr, $bean->Coins / 100000000); I'm ready to believe in any error "due to a bug" they claim now.

Where is the source code?

http://pastebin.com/W8B3CGiN

Re: Mt. Gox Has Been Hacked by People Trying to Find Out What Happened?

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Way too much schadenfreude given Gox's history. Although contrary to popular belief Gox was never a Magic exchange, they were a Bitcoin startup at a time when Bitcoin was not much more than internet lols and pizza deliveries. The first thing you do when hacking together a stupid exchange for a joke e-currency isn't writing unit tests. You just write the code and blast it up on a domain you had lying around for a diff…

> contrary to popular belief Gox was never a Magic exchange The Wayback Machine disagrees. http://web.archive.org/web/20070701000000*/http://mtgox.com Whether it was open as one is unclear, but that was the obvious intent here. Also, remember that the current owners aren't the original owners. This code is wrong in design but new in attempted style, made or majorly updated within the past year or two (based on the la…

My understanding is that while the domain was originally purchased for a MtG exchange, it was never used for this purpose. I've yet to see proof that a MtG exchange has existed on mtgox.com
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