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Re: Y Combinator Female Founders Conference LiveStream

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Post by Dewie »

oh_sigh wrote: post #81
danilocampos wrote: post #50

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> I don't care about women in tech. I've noticed. When you collect a few more life experiences, perhaps get a decade of career under your belt, you'll learn how toxic it is when monocultures form. You'll learn about the blind spots. The exclusion. The lack of productive conflict from varying ideas. And perhaps at that point you'll learn why "caring about people in tech" means caring that no people feel actively exclu…

> When you collect a few more life experiences, perhaps get a decade of career under your belt, you'll learn how toxic it is when monocultures form. Perhaps when you collect a few more life experiences, you will realize that saying "When you grow up/stop being immature/a child/etc you'll share my opinion on X, Y, and Z" isn't providing any support for your positions, and even if you was, it is not an effective argume…

> , it is not an effective argument either.

danilocampos' post has no argument at all. It's just a carefully constructed pile of pathos.

Re: Y Combinator Female Founders Conference LiveStream

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Post by prayag »

Dewie wrote: post #250
prayag wrote: post #221

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>What's your proof that such prejudices exist This guys has a point. Yea women where is the proof that you are prejudiced against except centuries of discrimination? The last western country to give women right to vote was in 1960s. Almost 50 years ago. The fact that you make 80 cents to every dollar a man makes is not a proof of any prejudice but a proof that women are genetically pre-disposed to making less money t…

> The last western country to give women right to vote was in 1960s. Women got the right to vote at a federal level in Switzerland in 1971. > The fact that you make 80 cents to every dollar a man makes is not a proof of any prejudice but a proof that women are genetically pre-disposed to making less money than men. No. You talk about sociology 101, so how about this nugget; making less money than someone has many mor…

> This is practically an urban myth at this point.

You are wrong. It's not clear-cut. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_pay_gap for an introduction.

Are you suggesting that women are not prejudiced again in work-place and in technology?

> You can Google for refutations of it if you want (either 80 cents, or 77 cents) and you should be able to find a dozen decent ones.

I did. Here's what I found:

http://asq.sagepub.com/content/44/3/453.short https://archive.nyu.edu/handle/2451/14253

Re: Y Combinator Female Founders Conference LiveStream

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Post by ameister14 »

prayag wrote: post #252
Dewie wrote: post #250

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> The last western country to give women right to vote was in 1960s. Women got the right to vote at a federal level in Switzerland in 1971. > The fact that you make 80 cents to every dollar a man makes is not a proof of any prejudice but a proof that women are genetically pre-disposed to making less money than men. No. You talk about sociology 101, so how about this nugget; making less money than someone has many mor…

> This is practically an urban myth at this point. You are wrong. It's not clear-cut. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_pay_gap for an introduction. Are you suggesting that women are not prejudiced again in work-place and in technology? > You can Google for refutations of it if you want (either 80 cents, or 77 cents) and you should be able to find a dozen decent ones. I did. Here's what I found: http://asq.sage…

Actually if you look at the US office of government accountability study, you'd see a completely different view. Considering that the two cited articles are from 1993 and 1999 respectively, it might be worth it to attach more weight to a wide ranging government study from 2009.

http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d09279.pdf

Re: Y Combinator Female Founders Conference LiveStream

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Post by ameister14 »

jonalmeida wrote: post #36
Crake wrote: post #17

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Yeah, same. :/ Funny, isn't? All the Adria Richards of the world claiming to want to increase the exposure of women in tech are actively discouraging exactly that.

It's an interesting point. I think it's discouraging young male entrepreneurs. Hacker School has special funding for women wanting to apply and while I consciously ignore this, sub-consciously, I feel that I have a less likely chance of getting in so why bother applying.

Why does encouraging others discourage you? If I praise someone else does it make you feel less worthy?

Re: Y Combinator Female Founders Conference LiveStream

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Post by br78 »

erichocean wrote: post #166

My wife applied and I was surprised by the unseriousness of the application process. If you've gone through the online YC application process, imagine you dumbed that down for a 10 year old who only had 10 minutes to complete it and only had to answer one question, along the lines of "Why is America the best country on Earth?"[0] Here's the rejection email my wife got for those that are curious: Thank you for applyin…

I thought it was from Newsroom but someone else said "film"

Re: Y Combinator Female Founders Conference LiveStream

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Post by oh_sigh »

Crake wrote: post #177
oh_sigh wrote: post #77

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> Being a woman isn't having a handicap. Being brown isn't having a handicap. At least it isn't to my mind. Is it to yours? Is being handicapped a handicap? I can't walk. Am I handicapped when it comes to creating code, or starting an tech company? I'm not in my mind. Am I in yours? > When you go and talk to people who are women or brown or some intersection of these, one thing that's clear is that they feel much mor…

You disagreed with him, there's no way you could be anything BUT a young white male! Stop appropriating your own oppression! (I also hated the disability metaphor.)

Actually, I am a young white male who is not disabled.I was just making those facts up to sound more convincing.

Re: Y Combinator Female Founders Conference LiveStream

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Post by illuminate »

cube_yellow wrote: post #187
PhasmaFelis wrote: post #184

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What's with your obsession with "working out"? You keep bringing it up.

1. I don't do it enough myself, so I'm projecting my anger/disappointment. 2. In the past months I've come to notice that I respect built men so much more than average guys, and how many social ills could be solved if every guy just lifted heavy weights a few times a week.

Your admitted sense of self-loathing doesn't make you a particularly good candidate on how to behave properly.

If a woman doesn't value you, it's because of how you feel about them and not because you're not bulked up enough.

Re: Y Combinator Female Founders Conference LiveStream

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Post by illuminate »

paulhauggis wrote: post #148
argumentum wrote: post #135

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Let me flip your argument around. If you truly care about people in tech, you should applaud any well-meaning effort to get more people excited about tech, such as this, irrespective of how the event is phrased. That this particular event is geared towards women doesn't prevent other events targeted to other groups: a conference for older founders, for example. Moreover events geared towards underrepresented groups h…

"If you truly care about people in tech, you should applaud any well-meaning effort to get more people excited about tech, such as this, irrespective of how the event is phrased." What if it was phrased "whites in tech". Would you be okay with it?

"What if it was phrased "whites in tech". Would you be okay with it?"

When Whites are an oppressed minority, sure.

Re: Y Combinator Female Founders Conference LiveStream

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Post by PhasmaFelis »

cube_yellow wrote: post #187
PhasmaFelis wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's with your obsession with "working out"? You keep bringing it up.

1. I don't do it enough myself, so I'm projecting my anger/disappointment. 2. In the past months I've come to notice that I respect built men so much more than average guys, and how many social ills could be solved if every guy just lifted heavy weights a few times a week.

Well, I appreciate your honesty. You should perhaps consider that you're projecting your own self-loathing onto other people. One's physical fitness has nothing to do with the quality of one's character, and the world would not magically become a better place if all us fat dudes got visited by the Muscle Fairy.

Re: Y Combinator Female Founders Conference LiveStream

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Post by Crake »

GFK_of_xmaspast wrote: post #118
Crake wrote: post #17

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Yeah, same. :/ Funny, isn't? All the Adria Richards of the world claiming to want to increase the exposure of women in tech are actively discouraging exactly that.

Really? I would have guessed it was all the MRA assholes.

>a person disagrees with GFK >"must be one of those evil MRAs"
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