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Windows 8 and the Microsoft Surface

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Re: Windows 8 and the Microsoft Surface

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Wow, probably the quickest I ever went from start of essay to first spelling mistake. Thanks for catching it!

I used the Newton was a productivity device. I used the P800 was a productivity device. I think the word "was" should be replaced with "as" in these sentences.

The same mistake twice in a row. Another good one. Fixed, thank you!

Re: Windows 8 and the Microsoft Surface

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's funny; one of the screenshots is used to call out the Charms bar as an example of great UI. For me - as a user of Windows 8 on a desktop - it has become something of an icon of just how poor Windows 8's UI is. On a tablet, you swipe it out from the left edge of the screen. Makes sense - so much sense that Apple copied the idea in iOS 7. On a PC, you bring out the charms bar by frustratedly wiggling your mouse agai…

I've found the least annoying way to bring up charms on my desktop computer is Win+C.

this. Also Win+X is a nice one for the desktop.

Re: Windows 8 and the Microsoft Surface

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regarding games not being popular on Mac app store, i feel like Mac is not in any way close to the scale of windows,iOS and android in terms of main stream popularity, especially internationally.

Dunno, they're extremely popular in Switzerland, where I live. I think among consumers, Mac market share is quite high. It's different in businesses, but businesses don't buy that many games :-)

i agree among consumers its high, but its still 4mil per quarter compared to 100s millions windows, android and iOS move per quarter. Also developer support is pretty poor when it comes to games on Mac and usually are buggy ports which are released 6-12 months after windows release. Part of the problem is Apple being lazy with Open GL support on OS X platform which just recently hit 4.0 with Mavericks. The situation is completely opposite on iOS where they even feature games during keynotes and went as far as to make their own Framework called sprite Kit to write games on iOS platform.

Re: Windows 8 and the Microsoft Surface

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Windows 8 is great once you learn two shortcuts: First, Win+Q for searching and starting any program you need. Second: Win+R to get to the Run window. With these two you just move very fluidly to where you need to be on a Win 8 machine.

And Win+L to lock. Locking the device from the GUI is a ridiculous process.

Re: Windows 8 and the Microsoft Surface

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Typing this from my T100, That incidentally quite meets my needs for around 1/4th of the cost of a Surface Pro 2. Some of the criticism is just plain wrong, like the "install software for USB booting install media." Yeah, I can write quite a bit too, about how hard it is to use the operating system, when I'm the one who randomly downloads crapware and tries to install it, instead of just doing a search and using the…

What I found more striking about the Disk Manager paragraph is the "which, by the way, you’ll find under «System and Security», not under «Hardware and Sound», which is where I would expect it — but perhaps I’m just weird" comment.

This seems to indicate the author actually actively goes searching for the entry. Which is nowadays not the 'correct way' of reaching it but instead by far the most ineffective way of navigating. I honestly have no idea where the Disk Managment thing resides (well, I do know) despite using it often. Just open the control panel and start typing 'disk' and click the item.

Re: Windows 8 and the Microsoft Surface

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> It’s not an accident that the best selling, highest grossing iPad apps are almost exclusively games.

The story goes that Gabe Newell was doing market research for Microsoft, collecting data about which programs were installed on business users' PCs to get a feel for the installed base of programs like Windows (which, at the time, was not standalone and sat on top of DOS).

Turns out Windows was pretty widely deployed -- the second most installed program on the DOS machines they surveyed.

The first most installed program was Doom.

That's what prompted old Gaben to reassess what business he should be in. :)

Re: Windows 8 and the Microsoft Surface

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I definitely concur about the handwriting recognition being terrific, but the interface being terrible. I wrote a little prototype of how I thought it should work a few months ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhn6EdN3Vvw

I love it! Microsoft, please take note, hire this guy, and get this into Windows 8.2, 9, or whatever is next.

As the OP points out, the pop-over handwriting "keyboard" is far from ideal. So far, in fact, that I feel it neuters the appeal of the pen on my Surface Pro. I don't want to lose half my screen real-estate to a special-purpose input area, be it a virtual keyboard or a special handwriting panel. Losing half the screen for input reeks of the iPad.

Re: Windows 8 and the Microsoft Surface

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Last summer I participated in a startup accelerator in Chicago. My Macbook died in the first week! At the time, I didn't have the funds to purchase another Apple machine. Luckily, my girlfriend had recently purchased a Surface RT with the keyboard cover. I did not think that the tablet would be able to replace a laptop for "serious" work, but it did. There are a couple of things that allowed me to do this. First, a U…

Who you believe you can fool with such a comment? 100% camouflaged ad spotted.

It's too obvious to be an ad. A covert camouflaged plug needs to be hidden much better.

Re: Windows 8 and the Microsoft Surface

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The digital pen part is the one that keeps tempting me to check out the surface pro 2. I'm no artist, but having a digital notebook would be really nice. I want something that really comes close to the fidelity and feel of a notebook and a pen. For instance, when I'm sketching out a design or an idea, I like to jot down the ideas, connections, etc, and move them around. I like doodling random notes during meetings, a…

Not as good as pen on paper, but the closest I've ever seen. You should probably go to a store and play with one to see if it suits you. I bought my Surface after I did that.

>> Not as good as pen on paper, but the closest I've ever seen.

Agree 100%. The only catch is that the pen tracking can go a little wonky near the edges. There is, however, a fix: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2171198

If you don't need handwriting recognition (I don't personally, but it is nice to have), I've found that Stylus Labs Write to be better than the App Store's version of OneNote (http://www.styluslabs.com/). It seems to have a little less lag than OneNote for note taking also. FWIW, Write is cross platform, and I imagine it would work great on something like a Galaxy Note.

The full version of OneNote, however, is worth the cost of admission. Works fantastic with the Stylus and is way better than the Win8 App store version.

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