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Windows 8 and the Microsoft Surface

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Re: Windows 8 and the Microsoft Surface

#31
I have been wanting to give another tablet a try after getting rid of my iPad. I liked the iPad hardware but the device was too hobbled in regards to file management (IMO).

A couple of days ago, I played with a Surface 2 at my local Staples and was pretty impressed by it and its type cover. The touch interface, which isn't particularly nice on a desktop computer, was pretty cool on a tablet. I also liked that is has a micro-SD slot for storage expansion.

Perhaps the only thing I don't care for it that Microsoft is only allowing Metro apps for ARM into their app store. That seems a bit one-sided considering that they are bundling non-Metro Office apps with the device.

Re: Windows 8 and the Microsoft Surface

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Typing this from my T100, That incidentally quite meets my needs for around 1/4th of the cost of a Surface Pro 2. Some of the criticism is just plain wrong, like the "install software for USB booting install media." Yeah, I can write quite a bit too, about how hard it is to use the operating system, when I'm the one who randomly downloads crapware and tries to install it, instead of just doing a search and using the…

I think he just wants a coherent ui. Like visualstudio13 "evolved" to be coherent with the metro-modernui style

In short, he wants that any os program looks like something created expressly for that version of the os

Re: Windows 8 and the Microsoft Surface

#33
I think this year and the next few years should be promising for Windows in the Tablet/Phone market. They were behind in specs for a while but their products are improving and are getting harder to ignore.

I recently ordered Lenovo's ThinkPad 8 and can't wait for it to arrive. I think this is the first good alternative to the Windows Surface (it's lighter, higher res, better battery, smaller bezel, usb 3.0, sd card slot + hdmi out). There should be more to come after this as well.

I really think the tides will start to turn in favor of Windows' mobile devices if they continue to improve they way they have recently.

Re: Windows 8 and the Microsoft Surface

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"There are artists who draw on iPads, and musicians who make music on iPads, and writers who write novels on iPads, and movie makers who cut their movies on iPads. But the fact that you have to point to these people, the fact that there are articles about these people, shows that they’re unusual." Unusual in a relative sense, the same way artists and musicians and movie makers are unusual in any segment of society. T…

Last summer I participated in a startup accelerator in Chicago. My Macbook died in the first week! At the time, I didn't have the funds to purchase another Apple machine. Luckily, my girlfriend had recently purchased a Surface RT with the keyboard cover. I did not think that the tablet would be able to replace a laptop for "serious" work, but it did. There are a couple of things that allowed me to do this. First, a U…

The digital pen part is the one that keeps tempting me to check out the surface pro 2.

I'm no artist, but having a digital notebook would be really nice. I want something that really comes close to the fidelity and feel of a notebook and a pen. For instance, when I'm sketching out a design or an idea, I like to jot down the ideas, connections, etc, and move them around. I like doodling random notes during meetings, and I also think it would be nice to have that while I'm working through math books.

The Surface Pro came up when I was reading the review of it as an artistic tool written by Gabe from penny arcade. Really tempting now, as well, since I need to get a new windows machine to do some side .net work.

In your opinion, does it feel as good/natural as others have said for hand-writing notes?

Re: Windows 8 and the Microsoft Surface

#35
"The way I want handwriting recognition to work is to take notes by jotting them down inside an app like OneNote, and have Windows recognize that automatically, behind the scenes, optionally without replacing my handwritten notes with printed text. Then, I want to be able to search my handwritten notes using full-text search."

OneNote actually already does this! Try searching in OneNote for things you've written in pen and it will show those notes.

Re: Windows 8 and the Microsoft Surface

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"There are artists who draw on iPads, and musicians who make music on iPads, and writers who write novels on iPads, and movie makers who cut their movies on iPads. But the fact that you have to point to these people, the fact that there are articles about these people, shows that they’re unusual." Unusual in a relative sense, the same way artists and musicians and movie makers are unusual in any segment of society. T…

The author's point about impedance between the iPad's design and creative tasks is not made in the context of statistically unlikely tasks such as writing poems or Caribbean reef diving travelogues or skydiving tutorials. His point is about creation that falls within a standard deviation or two of ordinary life:

Consider a creative task that almost everybody has to do: writing a job application.

Like responding to a business email or writing a Perl script to process network log files, there tends not to be some app that facilitates the work and iOS by design intent does not facilitate mashups.

Historically this divide between Windows and Apple's in house operating systems might be said to go all the way back to the development of OLE and Apple's proposed long-dead OpenDoc.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opendoc

Re: Windows 8 and the Microsoft Surface

#37
Some of the most significant issues with the iPad have to do with two areas: user management and the Apple "wall"

The first cuts across a wide range of applications from consumer to business. The lack of multiuser capabilities (with permissions and all the things modern multiuser OS's can do) seriously limits usability.

At home I would like to make a distinction between my usage of an iPad, that of my children and that of guests. No, i don't want to buy a separate device for each use case. Accounts for children could have limits set to restrict usage to a pre selected set of apps, time limits, app store settings, etc. Guest accounts would have the ability to setup similar restrictions. A house guest should not be able to open and browse your email, facebook, paypal or whatever.

The same issue applies to business usage. An iPad is a security nightmare in lots of business scenarios. Adding a layer of user management would be a huge step towards fixing this problem. For example, if I use an iPad as a cash register I don't want the cash register user to be able to use any other app. Perhaps i also want them to be able to browse the company website in order to assist customers and that's it.

The Apple "wall" is how I've been descriibing the Apple's control-freak hold on the device and the OS. This goes from the lack of USB and memory card connectivity to the lack of access to a file system, impossibly cumbersome file sharing between apps, totalitarian control of the one-and-only connector (leading to ridiculous hacks such as using the audio port for data communications, something that dates back to the early '80's!).

It's intersting to walk into an Apple store and see the iPads they have locked down to a single app that tells you about the device next to it. Apple themselves understand there are business cases where you need a device that is very tightly controlled, even to the point of limiting it to a single app. They get it. They simply have no interest in letting us through the wall.

Windows and Surface are not and have never been perfect solutions. However, they benefit significantly from your ability to do just about anything you want with them, to connect to and talk to almost any external hardware device in the market and to easily design your own for special applications. You can setup users for your particular needs. You can even install other OS's --replacing Windows-- or simply run them in a virtual machine.

I've come to view our iPads more as toys than as universal machines. They get used for web browsing, playing games and reading eBooks and that's just about it.

I continue to be stunned by how bad Microsoft marketing is. Instead of driving home the point that the iPad is a severely restricted and crippled device they actually spent good money making commercials with people dancing around clicking keyboards on and off their devices. If that's what they trully think is the most significant distinguishing value of their devices they are truly clueless.

Re: Windows 8 and the Microsoft Surface

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last summer I participated in a startup accelerator in Chicago. My Macbook died in the first week! At the time, I didn't have the funds to purchase another Apple machine. Luckily, my girlfriend had recently purchased a Surface RT with the keyboard cover. I did not think that the tablet would be able to replace a laptop for "serious" work, but it did. There are a couple of things that allowed me to do this. First, a U…

The digital pen part is the one that keeps tempting me to check out the surface pro 2. I'm no artist, but having a digital notebook would be really nice. I want something that really comes close to the fidelity and feel of a notebook and a pen. For instance, when I'm sketching out a design or an idea, I like to jot down the ideas, connections, etc, and move them around. I like doodling random notes during meetings, a…

Not as good as pen on paper, but the closest I've ever seen. You should probably go to a store and play with one to see if it suits you. I bought my Surface after I did that.

Re: Windows 8 and the Microsoft Surface

#39

's funny; one of the screenshots is used to call out the Charms bar as an example of great UI. For me - as a user of Windows 8 on a desktop - it has become something of an icon of just how poor Windows 8's UI is. On a tablet, you swipe it out from the left edge of the screen. Makes sense - so much sense that Apple copied the idea in iOS 7. On a PC, you bring out the charms bar by frustratedly wiggling your mouse agai…

Shooting the mouse into a corner is actually one of those gestures that is hardest to get wrong, which is why we've placed the window's close button up there for decades. Your mistake is aiming for the side instead of the top right corner of the screen; you can't overshoot it, so it never takes more than one physical gesture. You can also swipe from the right edge of your touchpad as if it were the screen.

It's not hard to get wrong. It's almost impossible to do correctly. I have three monitors on my desk at work. At home I use Mouse Without Borders to connect to my laptop. It flat out stinks.

Re: Windows 8 and the Microsoft Surface

#40

"The way I want handwriting recognition to work is to take notes by jotting them down inside an app like OneNote, and have Windows recognize that automatically, behind the scenes, optionally without replacing my handwritten notes with printed text. Then, I want to be able to search my handwritten notes using full-text search." OneNote actually already does this! Try searching in OneNote for things you've written in p…

I just tried, but it didn't find anything. Not sure if my handwriting is so terrible, or if there's something else going wrong here.

[Update: maybe the Metro version of OneNote doesn't support all of the features of the desktop version?]

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