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Idaho law criminalizes secretly filming on farms

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Re: Idaho law criminalizes secretly filming on farms

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

danvideo wrote: post #12
cdoxsey wrote: post #2

Makes sense. A farm is private property. You don't have the right to come into my house or my place of work and film me. (Even if you suspect I'm doing something wrong) Also makes sense that falsifying a resume in order to do so would be illegal.

No, that doesn't make sense. If it is considered wrong/unethical to film on private property in Idaho - why would they legislate for a specific industry? Shouldn't filming video on private property be illegal all across the board in Idaho if the problem is about basic rights?

Its clearly a knee-jerk reaction to unfortunate events. But consider: Farms cannot be reasonably secured. Can't prove 'breaking and entering' when all you have to do is park and walk, maybe cross a fence. So they would need some special rules to make them private space at all.

Re: Idaho law criminalizes secretly filming on farms

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Post by boomlinde »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #18
boomlinde wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not about your house. This law concerns farms only.

A farm is Somebody's house. I live on one for instance. While we don't torture animals, keep your cameras out of my space anyway thank you.

Way to miss my point, which is that this law concerns farms specifically and not homes or workplaces in general. I assume that you deliberately misinterpreted me, so what point are you trying to make?

Re: Idaho law criminalizes secretly filming on farms

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Post by ndespres »

yuvadam wrote: post #17
koobarbara wrote: post #5

"sexually abused", can anyone explain this bit?

Well, it's pretty straightforward. You do know where the milk you drink comes from, right? You do know that cows are forcefully inseminated and impregnated (i.e. raped) in order to keep up the production, right? [I'm not sure why the downvotes are in place just because I'm mentioning a well known fact about how the dairy industry works]

Please don't be obtuse or sensationalize this. You know very well that's not what's being referred to here.

Re: Idaho law criminalizes secretly filming on farms

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Post by unclebucknasty »

cdoxsey wrote: post #2

Makes sense. A farm is private property. You don't have the right to come into my house or my place of work and film me. (Even if you suspect I'm doing something wrong) Also makes sense that falsifying a resume in order to do so would be illegal.

If, in your place of work, you are doing something illegal in the production of a product intended for public consumption, then it seems that the calculus would change.

Re: Idaho law criminalizes secretly filming on farms

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Post by ithkuil »

ama729 wrote: post #6

Of all things, you would think that the first amendment would protect such a thing, can any lawyer weight on that? > The measure passed Idaho’s Senate earlier in February to the applause of agricultural representatives who said it would help ensure farmers’ right to privacy. There is a certain irony in the US that everyone can get privacy, except private citizen.

They probably think that privacy only means the right to not see you dirty secrets all over the news

Re: Idaho law criminalizes secretly filming on farms

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

boomlinde wrote: post #22
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A farm is Somebody's house. I live on one for instance. While we don't torture animals, keep your cameras out of my space anyway thank you.

Way to miss my point, which is that this law concerns farms specifically and not homes or workplaces in general. I assume that you deliberately misinterpreted me, so what point are you trying to make?

That 'your house' sounded like belittling the parent post. Just sticking up for farm residents. Clearer?

Re: Idaho law criminalizes secretly filming on farms

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Post by yuvadam »

ndespres wrote: post #24
yuvadam wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, it's pretty straightforward. You do know where the milk you drink comes from, right? You do know that cows are forcefully inseminated and impregnated (i.e. raped) in order to keep up the production, right? [I'm not sure why the downvotes are in place just because I'm mentioning a well known fact about how the dairy industry works]

Please don't be obtuse or sensationalize this. You know very well that's not what's being referred to here.

Well, I find it hard to see the difference between "abnormal" sexual abuse and "regular" sexual abuse that is an inherent part of the dairy industry, whether you like it or not.

Re: Idaho law criminalizes secretly filming on farms

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Post by Dylan16807 »

supersystem wrote: post #23
koobarbara wrote: post #5

"sexually abused", can anyone explain this bit?

"The man seen fondling a cow’s vagina in the newly released video eventually spent 102 days in jail." http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-cow-abuse-v...

Annoyingly, that description is too vague to tell if it's actual abuse or just 'look at me touch a taboo spot'. And I'd rather not watch the video to find out. The fact that he went to jail doesn't clarify, because he did many other things such as jumping on a cow for an extended period.
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