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Idaho law criminalizes secretly filming on farms

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Re: Idaho law criminalizes secretly filming on farms

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Post by axanoeychron »

cdoxsey wrote: post #2

Makes sense. A farm is private property. You don't have the right to come into my house or my place of work and film me. (Even if you suspect I'm doing something wrong) Also makes sense that falsifying a resume in order to do so would be illegal.

This does not follow. Private property is private but you can still commit crimes on private property.

This logic would permit egregious abuse to go on unchallenged behind closed doors because its private property. This cannot honestly be what you are saying?

There is a balance between the laws that might be broken in order to discover a crime. If someone commits a crime with the intention to discover another crime, you seem to feel it is acceptable to ignore the second crime?

It's actually not okay to create precedent that penalizes people that discover your crime, it only makes crimes easier to hide.

Re: Idaho law criminalizes secretly filming on farms

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Post by danvideo »

cdoxsey wrote: post #2

Makes sense. A farm is private property. You don't have the right to come into my house or my place of work and film me. (Even if you suspect I'm doing something wrong) Also makes sense that falsifying a resume in order to do so would be illegal.

No, that doesn't make sense.

If it is considered wrong/unethical to film on private property in Idaho - why would they legislate for a specific industry? Shouldn't filming video on private property be illegal all across the board in Idaho if the problem is about basic rights?

Re: Idaho law criminalizes secretly filming on farms

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Post by boomlinde »

cdoxsey wrote: post #2

Makes sense. A farm is private property. You don't have the right to come into my house or my place of work and film me. (Even if you suspect I'm doing something wrong) Also makes sense that falsifying a resume in order to do so would be illegal.

It's not about your house. This law concerns farms only.

Re: Idaho law criminalizes secretly filming on farms

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Post by sillysaurus3 »

jaredmcateer wrote: post #10
koobarbara wrote: post #5

"sexually abused", can anyone explain this bit?

They are probably penetrated with equipment or tools (e.g., a broom handle) without reason other than to be cruel.

Let's not make up charges without evidence.

Re: Idaho law criminalizes secretly filming on farms

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Post by boomlinde »

chrismcb wrote: post #9

Why do we need legislation like this? TFA says "[jail and a fine] for people who secretly enter ... " Do they not already have trespassing laws?

As far as I understand the U.S. legal system, your crimes add up to your sentence. This means that you could nail someone for both trespassing and filming filming at your farm.

Re: Idaho law criminalizes secretly filming on farms

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Post by yuvadam »

koobarbara wrote: post #5

"sexually abused", can anyone explain this bit?

Well, it's pretty straightforward. You do know where the milk you drink comes from, right?

You do know that cows are forcefully inseminated and impregnated (i.e. raped) in order to keep up the production, right?

[I'm not sure why the downvotes are in place just because I'm mentioning a well known fact about how the dairy industry works]

Re: Idaho law criminalizes secretly filming on farms

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

boomlinde wrote: post #13
cdoxsey wrote: post #2

Makes sense. A farm is private property. You don't have the right to come into my house or my place of work and film me. (Even if you suspect I'm doing something wrong) Also makes sense that falsifying a resume in order to do so would be illegal.

It's not about your house. This law concerns farms only.

A farm is Somebody's house. I live on one for instance. While we don't torture animals, keep your cameras out of my space anyway thank you.

Re: Idaho law criminalizes secretly filming on farms

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

axanoeychron wrote: post #11
cdoxsey wrote: post #2

Makes sense. A farm is private property. You don't have the right to come into my house or my place of work and film me. (Even if you suspect I'm doing something wrong) Also makes sense that falsifying a resume in order to do so would be illegal.

This does not follow. Private property is private but you can still commit crimes on private property. This logic would permit egregious abuse to go on unchallenged behind closed doors because its private property. This cannot honestly be what you are saying? There is a balance between the laws that might be broken in order to discover a crime. If someone commits a crime with the intention to discover another crime,…

To some degree this is what Miranda rights are all about. How does that figure in your ethical map?

Re: Idaho law criminalizes secretly filming on farms

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Post by boomlinde »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #14
jaredmcateer wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are probably penetrated with equipment or tools (e.g., a broom handle) without reason other than to be cruel.

Let's not make up charges without evidence.

Did the poster above you make any assertions?

It's not that hard to look it up anyway: http://www.peta.org/videos/sexual-deviance-and-sexual-abuse-...

(don't watch it)

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