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I doubt it, because the groupings you mentioned are themselves arbitrary. We could just as easily split society into tall people and short people. The distribution of professional basketball players is always going to have more of the tall group than the short group, simply because the rim is arbitrarily at 10 ft. If a particular ethnic group happens to be taller on average than another, it's likely they will be more…

> What we want is not proportionate representation based on arbitrary groups, but rather the correct representation. We want the best basketball players to be playing basketball, because that makes it more fun for the rest of us to watch. Let me reiterate what I infer from your words: 'black people are naturally more athletic, so they should keep playing basketball, and leave all that pesky business and government-ru…

What!? Where did I say anything like that (I'm not even white, anyway, and I don't believe that regardless).

I was literally thinking about the Dinka tribe from Sudan (who are very tall on average) and the Pygmy tribes of the congo (who are very short on average). Google them for data.

Alternatively, you can look at the well-studied difference in height between men and women. Do you deny this exists?

I could have just as well used tennis, where the vast majority of top players are white or soccer (where there's a quite proportionate distribution within the countries that play). In tennis, the ideal height is between 5'10 and 6'2. If you are much shorter, you have a disadvantage in serving. If you're much taller you have a disadvantage getting to low balls.

What I meant is that it's highly unlikely that the particular set of characteristics that determine success in any endeavor will be spread evenly amongst arbitrary groups. It doesn't matter what those groups are. We want the best set of individuals for the job, whatever it is.

Re: Y Combinator Female Founders Conference LiveStream

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To all the people kvetching in the comments... this is the live stream for "YC's Female Founders Conference" [1]. That's why "female" is in the post title. I'm an ardent supporter of the effort, and I hope (much like startup school) that YC is able to make it into an annual event! Very inspiring! Also, my wife is in attendance. I look forward to hearing her reactions later tonight. If the live stream is any indicator…

When people start whining about events or programs like this, I like to send them off to read "When I Moved Abroad"[1], a blog post by that was like flipping a switch in my mind that suddenly made these things make so much more sense. [1] https://blog.mozilla.org/it/2013/03/29/when-i-moved-abroad/

As someone who's lived a little in another country, I'm not really impressed by made up analogies like this.

I don't really have a problem with women-only 'spaces', anyway, as long as they don't interfere with my schedule - like going to the gym and finding out that they are having a women-only day/evening.

(When I lived abroad I didn't know anyone in that city who was from my own country, during that whole stay. There were people from my own country, but I didn't bother to seek them out. The closest I got was other foreigners.)

Re: Y Combinator Female Founders Conference LiveStream

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It's not really an angle, but mostly a response to the content of your comment and certain other comments to be found in this thread, and my own general observations (which are hardly scientific of course). At any rate, you've not really addressed my comment (the one you're replying to) - but I do feel as though your reply is meant to mock me, which, to my thinking, reinforces said observations. Excuse me if mockery…

Some positions are outside the realm of legitimate debate. Ridicule is an appropriate response to ridiculous positions. Calling an event that is trying to integrate a community "segregationist" is about as ridiculous as it gets.

Fully agree. By the way, feel free to spread the word about my forthcoming event trying to bring together the 20-35yo, white male, Ivy league graduate, $150K+/year community. I'm sure I can count on your support for this integration effort.

Re: Y Combinator Female Founders Conference LiveStream

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> Problem is, Crake, we're doing something wrong . And perhaps the support of segregationist policies is the thing we're doing wrong.

Enabling people in a minority group to associate with one another while still not excluding them from anything is not segregationist; it's just considerate. However, you have a very testable hypothesis here with the idea that these policies are the source of the inequality. And much like "Wet ground makes it rain," the hypothesis is easily disproven by considering the order that the correlated things happened in. The…

> and these events started being organized in response to the conditions you're suggesting they may have caused.

I assume that by "these events" you mean events targeted towards women. I never claimed anything about what events targeted towards women cause. I only mentioned events which support segregation, of which these events are a subset.

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Yeah, women are raising kids. And, they negotiate lower pay, so are less invested in the industry. And, they find opportunities in other industries more enticing than men, so are more likely to jump ship for more pleasant pastures. And, and, and shit that people in tech shouldn't bust a brain cell over figuring out and seeking rent to validate their feelings. If you haven't had your warm fuzzies for today, go work a…

What's with your obsession with "working out"? You keep bringing it up.

Lifting weights is the white collar suburban version of being 'alpha'.

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People are ignorant to the material effects of oppression. I'm not sure how sometimes, especially on hacker news, since everyone in this thread wouldn't start discussing some small aspect of a programming language they have never used. But if they wanted to, they would look it up and the contribute. When it comes to anything social and therefore political people are throwing words around and they do not even understa…

That metaphor is funny, wouldn't you resent those posters if they did?

If they what?

Re: Y Combinator Female Founders Conference LiveStream

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To all the people kvetching in the comments... this is the live stream for "YC's Female Founders Conference" [1]. That's why "female" is in the post title. I'm an ardent supporter of the effort, and I hope (much like startup school) that YC is able to make it into an annual event! Very inspiring! Also, my wife is in attendance. I look forward to hearing her reactions later tonight. If the live stream is any indicator…

This conference was just amazing. It has amazing and insightful stories. If you don't believe me, just start watching from Jessica Mah's (from InDinero) inspiring tale: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=QDa...

Re: Y Combinator Female Founders Conference LiveStream

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I dislike the fact that females get a lot more attention because of their gender. If you want true equality you've to start treating everybody as equals and giving extra space for some just doesn't cut it. I see this all the time in my country (I don't know if this is the case here) but females get a lot more attention in basically all areas of society and I don't think much good can come from that. Well, I guess I'm…

this comment literally has no redeeming qualities

Re: Y Combinator Female Founders Conference LiveStream

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Thanks a lot for explaining! The same is true in Dutch, perhaps I should have phrased my question as "what surprises you?".

Hey, no problem. Your initial statement struck me as a little odd too. I wouldn't have used quite so terse (?!) a response to you because HN etiquette frowns upon it - even though some cases (like perhaps this one) may warrant it. >For those who wouldn't click cause it's "Female Founders" - so far it's been just as inspiring as Startup School (even for me as a man). I'm not going to put words into your mouth. Can you…

Thanks for being so considerate. I'm not sure if I worded it poorly or if my opinion itself is so controversial. How about this?

"I know this conference is clearly targeted to women, but it's interesting and inspiring to all (aspiring) founders, so I recommend men don't let themselves be put off by that"

Re: Y Combinator Female Founders Conference LiveStream

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> Problem is, Crake, we're doing something wrong . And perhaps the support of segregationist policies is the thing we're doing wrong.

Okay. Let's hear your proposal for addressing the already segregationist technology industry. Let's hear your proposal for elevating female/non-white founder percentages out of the single digits. What've you got?

> Let's hear your proposal for addressing the already segregationist technology industry.

Stop supporting segregationist policies.

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