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Re: IOS Users are the New Windows Users

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Post by fisherprice » Sun, Mar 02, 2014, 8:43 AM UTC

Oletros wrote: post #10

fisherprice wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's socially acceptable to outline Windows weaknesses since decades and if this happens with Apple or iOS it's fanboyism? iOS feels very similar to Windows in its worst days, even worse because Windows was much more open. So, again the question: tell us why is this fanboyism, why do you think it's not appropriate to compare two operating systems? Because of your fear that your favorite will loose? Why should we not…

It is fanboyism because that rant is just bullshit, Android is not years ahead of iOS, Android has some advantages over iOS and iOS have other over Android. And someone that can say with straight face that Android hardware specs are far ahead iPhone 5s is just someone that doesn't know what is talking about. And by the way, you can try the "Because of your fear that your favorite will loose?" with others. I use Andro…

> Android has some advantages over iOS and iOS have other over Android.

You do not have any iOS device but claim that iOS have advantages over Android? This sounds a bit weird but ok, try to find one single reason why iOS should be better. But you won't because it's easier for you to bail out from the discussion and go to the meta level by telling that this is a rant, bullshit and fanboyism instead of giving some valid reasons (but how? you do not have an iOS device anyway).

Again, this is not a rant, this is reality, it's just that in the last two years Android developed much faster than iOS did, in every regard. And it seems that it's not allowed to address iOS' fall.

Re: IOS Users are the New Windows Users

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Post by interpol_p » Sun, Mar 02, 2014, 11:13 AM UTC

fisherprice wrote: post #4

interpol_p wrote: post #3

I very strongly disagree with this, from the article: " When telling, showing and proving that Android 4.x smartphones are lightyears beyond iPhones in terms of hard-, software and design iOS " iOS is simple on the surface, but the developer frameworks are far more consistent, well designed, and powerful than what Android offers. From video editing, typography, persistent storage, animation, UI, audio processing, iOS…

I strongly disagree with you. How many Android apps did you develop? Do you know the newer Android tool chains? Just the non-resolution-independent framework on iOS is a big pain and iOS biggest bottleneck and this is where Apple struggles right now (to make the next bigger iPhones happen). But your post shows very well again the general attitude of iOS folks and it's your pure fear which speaks out load -- your fear…

I didn't down vote anything, so I'm unsure what you're referring to there.

I haven't touched Android development for a few months so I might be out of date. In particular I very much disliked their scroll view and list view implementations. I found Android to be a mess in general, API wise. Things seemed much more ad-hoc and less thought out than on iOS. And I have some very specific disagreements with their API design choices (or lack of them). As I mentioned in my original post, Android seems to lack the built-in high-level rendering, audio, typography, language and other frameworks of iOS.

I've never found the screen density stuff to be an issue on iOS — I always design and render my UI elements directly as vector graphics (PDF). This is almost impossible to do efficiently on Android (no native PDF rendering API).

I really have no idea what you're talking about when you mention my "fear." I am more than happy to develop on any platform. I just find Android much worse than iOS at the moment. If it gets better I'll happily switch.

Re: IOS Users are the New Windows Users

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Post by russgray » Sun, Mar 02, 2014, 6:17 PM UTC

fisherprice wrote: post #11

Oletros wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is fanboyism because that rant is just bullshit, Android is not years ahead of iOS, Android has some advantages over iOS and iOS have other over Android. And someone that can say with straight face that Android hardware specs are far ahead iPhone 5s is just someone that doesn't know what is talking about. And by the way, you can try the "Because of your fear that your favorite will loose?" with others. I use Andro…

> Android has some advantages over iOS and iOS have other over Android. You do not have any iOS device but claim that iOS have advantages over Android? This sounds a bit weird but ok, try to find one single reason why iOS should be better. But you won't because it's easier for you to bail out from the discussion and go to the meta level by telling that this is a rant, bullshit and fanboyism instead of giving some val…

You seem to think that anyone who disagrees with you is a fanboy who doesn't want to hear alternative viewpoints due to fear. It's amusing, because you yourself are the worst offender here on all three counts.

Re: IOS Users are the New Windows Users

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Post by rnovak » Sun, Mar 02, 2014, 6:17 PM UTC

fisherprice wrote: post #11

Oletros wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is fanboyism because that rant is just bullshit, Android is not years ahead of iOS, Android has some advantages over iOS and iOS have other over Android. And someone that can say with straight face that Android hardware specs are far ahead iPhone 5s is just someone that doesn't know what is talking about. And by the way, you can try the "Because of your fear that your favorite will loose?" with others. I use Andro…

> Android has some advantages over iOS and iOS have other over Android. You do not have any iOS device but claim that iOS have advantages over Android? This sounds a bit weird but ok, try to find one single reason why iOS should be better. But you won't because it's easier for you to bail out from the discussion and go to the meta level by telling that this is a rant, bullshit and fanboyism instead of giving some val…

It's better because usability is 10000x better on the iOS. Android constantly asks how to complete simple actions. "oh, you want to view a website? what app should I use". Over. and. Over. and. Over. nonstop. all the time.

That's poor usability, plain and simple, and the same thing happens in hundreds of places in the Android UI

How about their permissions system? To get any level of control in android, you literally HAVE to root. No stock android gives you control over permissions. Either you accept ALL the permissions of an app, or you don't install the app.

I can control every aspect of that, as a user, on my iphone. I can say "hey, you can't read my contacts, but you can access network, just don't use push".

Android lost to iOS. it's not user friendly. Who gives a sh*t if it's "more customizable"? It does so at the expense of simple, intuitive UI design.

and just to be clear here, I have apps for both iOS and Android, I have an iPhone, and I have a galaxy note tablet. I've had several android phones over the years, and I've had multiple Apple devices.

Let me make it even more clear: The barrier to entrance for developing for an OS doesn't make it any better/worse than any other OS. If you're a developer and whining about the API's of your chosen OS, change careers. It's part of your job, if you don't like it, well, then your days must suck.

Re: IOS Users are the New Windows Users

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Post by Oletros » Sun, Mar 02, 2014, 9:14 PM UTC

rnovak wrote: post #14

fisherprice wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Android has some advantages over iOS and iOS have other over Android. You do not have any iOS device but claim that iOS have advantages over Android? This sounds a bit weird but ok, try to find one single reason why iOS should be better. But you won't because it's easier for you to bail out from the discussion and go to the meta level by telling that this is a rant, bullshit and fanboyism instead of giving some val…

It's better because usability is 10000x better on the iOS. Android constantly asks how to complete simple actions. "oh, you want to view a website? what app should I use". Over. and. Over. and. Over. nonstop. all the time. That's poor usability, plain and simple, and the same thing happens in hundreds of places in the Android UI How about their permissions system? To get any level of control in android, you literally…

> Android constantly asks how to complete simple actions. "oh, you want to view a website? what app should I use". Over. and. Over. and. Over. nonstop. all the time.

Wrong

> I can control every aspect of that, as a user, on my iphone. I can say "hey, you can't read my contacts, but you can access network, just don't use push".

Wrong, you just can control what Apple let's you control

> Android lost to iOS. it's not user friendly.

Wrong

Funny, you're just the mirror of the one that posted the link

Re: IOS Users are the New Windows Users

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Post by dllthomas » Sun, Mar 02, 2014, 9:17 PM UTC

rnovak wrote: post #14

fisherprice wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Android has some advantages over iOS and iOS have other over Android. You do not have any iOS device but claim that iOS have advantages over Android? This sounds a bit weird but ok, try to find one single reason why iOS should be better. But you won't because it's easier for you to bail out from the discussion and go to the meta level by telling that this is a rant, bullshit and fanboyism instead of giving some val…

It's better because usability is 10000x better on the iOS. Android constantly asks how to complete simple actions. "oh, you want to view a website? what app should I use". Over. and. Over. and. Over. nonstop. all the time. That's poor usability, plain and simple, and the same thing happens in hundreds of places in the Android UI How about their permissions system? To get any level of control in android, you literally…

'Android constantly asks how to complete simple actions. "oh, you want to view a website? what app should I use". Over. and. Over. and. Over. nonstop. all the time.'

Every single one of those dialogs has a "remember this selection" checkbox.

Source: I have an Android, and through using that checkbox I am now only ever prompted for those things where I want to decide on the fly.

Re: IOS Users are the New Windows Users

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Post by dllthomas » Sun, Mar 02, 2014, 9:20 PM UTC

fisherprice wrote: post #11

Oletros wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is fanboyism because that rant is just bullshit, Android is not years ahead of iOS, Android has some advantages over iOS and iOS have other over Android. And someone that can say with straight face that Android hardware specs are far ahead iPhone 5s is just someone that doesn't know what is talking about. And by the way, you can try the "Because of your fear that your favorite will loose?" with others. I use Andro…

> Android has some advantages over iOS and iOS have other over Android. You do not have any iOS device but claim that iOS have advantages over Android? This sounds a bit weird but ok, try to find one single reason why iOS should be better. But you won't because it's easier for you to bail out from the discussion and go to the meta level by telling that this is a rant, bullshit and fanboyism instead of giving some val…

"You do not have any iOS device but claim that iOS have advantages over Android? This sounds a bit weird but ok[.]"

It sounds like a conclusion that would be reached by someone who looked at two options and selected one.

Re: IOS Users are the New Windows Users

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Post by rnovak » Tue, Mar 04, 2014, 7:27 PM UTC

Oletros wrote: post #15

rnovak wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's better because usability is 10000x better on the iOS. Android constantly asks how to complete simple actions. "oh, you want to view a website? what app should I use". Over. and. Over. and. Over. nonstop. all the time. That's poor usability, plain and simple, and the same thing happens in hundreds of places in the Android UI How about their permissions system? To get any level of control in android, you literally…

> Android constantly asks how to complete simple actions. "oh, you want to view a website? what app should I use". Over. and. Over. and. Over. nonstop. all the time. Wrong > I can control every aspect of that, as a user, on my iphone. I can say "hey, you can't read my contacts, but you can access network, just don't use push". Wrong, you just can control what Apple let's you control > Android lost to iOS. it's not us…

I'm sorry, were you sitting next to me during every use of Android I've had? If not, then don't tell me what happened, because you can't. Period.

And where's the proof for your second claim? Show me how you can reject individual permissions, without root, on a stock android phone, such as the HTC One, Galaxy S4, or anything, really?

I can take screenshots this instant that illustrate that you can't do that on a stock device.

I'm not a fanboy, I have devices on both sides of the fence. You however are rejecting my claims with ZERO proof. I believed that is called willful ignorance.

So, for all of your "wrong" statements, provide some proof, or STFU