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At Apple shareholder’s meeting, Tim Cook tells off climate change deniers

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Re: At Apple shareholder’s meeting, Tim Cook tells off climate change deniers

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Post by jpgvm »

downandout wrote: post #8

"Climate Change Denier" is a term coined by radical environmentalists in an attempt to paint their opponents as crazy and stupid. Most rational people don't deny that climate change is occurring. Many people simply side with scientists that have examined the facts and determined that human attempts at trying to control climate change are about as effective as Indian rain dances. That said, Tim Cook's response was cor…

Any scientist worth the oxygen they breathe all seem to be in agreement of 3 things. a) Climate change is real and happening. b) It's most definitely the impact of our utilisation of natural resources. c) That we can take measures to minimise it's effects.

Re: At Apple shareholder’s meeting, Tim Cook tells off climate change deniers

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Post by codeka »

downandout wrote: post #8

"Climate Change Denier" is a term coined by radical environmentalists in an attempt to paint their opponents as crazy and stupid. Most rational people don't deny that climate change is occurring. Many people simply side with scientists that have examined the facts and determined that human attempts at trying to control climate change are about as effective as Indian rain dances. That said, Tim Cook's response was cor…

No, NCPPR categorically are crazy and stupid. No need to coin terms to paint them as such when their own words do a perfectly good job of it on their own.

Re: At Apple shareholder’s meeting, Tim Cook tells off climate change deniers

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Post by dmckeon »

Anyone interested in trying to explore the topic of climate change at NCPPR could probably apply for a summer internship in 2014 - here's a 2013 version:

http://www.theihs.org/koch-summer-fellow-program/host/nation...

Oh, btw: consider the source...

Re: At Apple shareholder’s meeting, Tim Cook tells off climate change deniers

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Post by [deleted] »

Johnie wrote: post #9
downandout wrote: post #8

"Climate Change Denier" is a term coined by radical environmentalists in an attempt to paint their opponents as crazy and stupid. Most rational people don't deny that climate change is occurring. Many people simply side with scientists that have examined the facts and determined that human attempts at trying to control climate change are about as effective as Indian rain dances. That said, Tim Cook's response was cor…

> They simply side with scientists that... Which scientists?

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Re: At Apple shareholder’s meeting, Tim Cook tells off climate change deniers

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Post by nailer »

downandout wrote: post #8

"Climate Change Denier" is a term coined by radical environmentalists in an attempt to paint their opponents as crazy and stupid. Most rational people don't deny that climate change is occurring. Many people simply side with scientists that have examined the facts and determined that human attempts at trying to control climate change are about as effective as Indian rain dances. That said, Tim Cook's response was cor…

Including the founder of Greenpeace http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/gree...

Re: At Apple shareholder’s meeting, Tim Cook tells off climate change deniers

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Post by epistasis »

downandout wrote: post #8

"Climate Change Denier" is a term coined by radical environmentalists in an attempt to paint their opponents as crazy and stupid. Most rational people don't deny that climate change is occurring. Many people simply side with scientists that have examined the facts and determined that human attempts at trying to control climate change are about as effective as Indian rain dances. That said, Tim Cook's response was cor…

> No one, including this group, denies that climate change is occurring.

I'm sorry, what planet are you living on? This is regularly argued an national cable news all the time. You can't be taken the least bit seriously when you put such an obvious falsehood as the first argument supporting your ridiculous claim.

Re: At Apple shareholder’s meeting, Tim Cook tells off climate change deniers

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Post by jjoonathan »

downandout wrote: post #8

"Climate Change Denier" is a term coined by radical environmentalists in an attempt to paint their opponents as crazy and stupid. Most rational people don't deny that climate change is occurring. Many people simply side with scientists that have examined the facts and determined that human attempts at trying to control climate change are about as effective as Indian rain dances. That said, Tim Cook's response was cor…

> this group [does not deny] that climate change is occurring

But their press release says

> Apple is wasting untold amounts of shareholder money to combat so-called climate change.

which sounds like denial to me. Would you prefer to call them "Climate Change Skeptics," the term coined by radical conservatives to attempt to paint themselves as not crazy and anti-scientific?

Everyone plays the "name yourself according to something non-controversial, name your opponent according to something controversial" game. I wouldn't get too upset about it.

Re: At Apple shareholder’s meeting, Tim Cook tells off climate change deniers

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Post by ry0ohki »

jpgvm wrote: post #11
downandout wrote: post #8

"Climate Change Denier" is a term coined by radical environmentalists in an attempt to paint their opponents as crazy and stupid. Most rational people don't deny that climate change is occurring. Many people simply side with scientists that have examined the facts and determined that human attempts at trying to control climate change are about as effective as Indian rain dances. That said, Tim Cook's response was cor…

Any scientist worth the oxygen they breathe all seem to be in agreement of 3 things. a) Climate change is real and happening. b) It's most definitely the impact of our utilisation of natural resources. c) That we can take measures to minimise it's effects.

All true, but I think there is a misconception that if we all just recycle more and drive hybrids that climate change will stop. We are accelerating climate change, but even if we stopped all carbon now Bangladesh will still be under water in 150 years or less.

Re: At Apple shareholder’s meeting, Tim Cook tells off climate change deniers

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Post by protomyth »

ueqirat wrote: post #3

it is possible to disagree with apple's investment in "sustainability" and not be a climate change denier

Probably not since it is such an effective dismissal.

This isn't really about Apple, it is more about the Retail Industry Leaders Association (RILA) of which Apple is a member and the NCPPR going after them. NCPPR isn't some new organization, so they have a lot of things on their agenda (consider nuclear missiles were once an item on it).

Not saying their right or wrong on this one, mostly just saying Ars Technica did its usual crappy job on anything with a political bent. They don't seem to do much research into the who or even try to interview anyone.

Re: At Apple shareholder’s meeting, Tim Cook tells off climate change deniers

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Post by pyrrhotech »

downandout wrote: post #8

"Climate Change Denier" is a term coined by radical environmentalists in an attempt to paint their opponents as crazy and stupid. Most rational people don't deny that climate change is occurring. Many people simply side with scientists that have examined the facts and determined that human attempts at trying to control climate change are about as effective as Indian rain dances. That said, Tim Cook's response was cor…

you should try living in the south, where TC is from. There are a lot of climate change deniers. I mean, 60% of the state believes the world is less than 10,000 years old
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