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"Free-to-play" misleading advertising in Europe

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Re: "Free-to-play" misleading advertising in Europe

#191
As an adult iOS/Android user, I am annoyed by IAP games, but I don't feel like I'm being bamboozled or defrauded. Nothing warranting government interference.

But as a parent of a 2 year old, I am not pleased with some kids games developers trying to take advantage of children (and I'm talking toddlers) using devices where parents haven't blocked IAP, or placing ads that they presumably get click-revenue from kids not understanding what they're clicking on...

Re: "Free-to-play" misleading advertising in Europe

#192
Similarly misleading advertising: Telling that you can "buy" digital video when it comes encumbered with DRM that turns your "buying" into "renting for an undefined time period".

Maybe European Commission could do something about that too, it would most definitely be welcome.

Re: "Free-to-play" misleading advertising in Europe

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I was working as a City Planner and an elderly black man was sitting in the visitor chair across the desk and looking out the window. He'd come there so I could say "no". He wasn't a first time developer. He'd known he'd get no when he'd been sent to the office with my desk. That's why he hadn't come there first and now that we'd gone through the motions and. the anticipated "no" had been said he asked if I fished. A…

Same still applies, though: You're jumping to conclusions about what is important to others. I play video games with my 4 year old. He loves it, and he loves doing it with me more than the games themselves. We take him out lots too, but I have equally fond memories of times I've spent playing games with him as the ones I've spent with him on outdoors activities.

Three years and two jobs later we were picking up dinner from the grocery deli on the way home from work and preschool and up he came and asked if we were going fishing and it wasn't for a day or two that I remembered who he was and what he had said the one time we had met.

It's hard for me to keep priorities in order sometimes. Even when I know, I just forget what really matters. Good luck.

Re: "Free-to-play" misleading advertising in Europe

#194

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Apple already does this. I am literally looking at a game right now in the App Store and it's free and Apple makes it very clear that it offers IAPs. It even gives you a list of the Top IAPs. So, listing every IAP, it does not do. But beyond that, it gives you exactly what is being asked.

I know Apple does that, the Play store also indicates that an app has in-app purchases. But why not say it clearly in the 'purchasing button'?

Notably, for the Play store, it says "FREE" in green letters on grey in the search results, and then you need to click through to see "offers in-app purchases" in dark grey on light grey set well apart from the big, green "Install" button on the details screen, with no information about the in-app purchases.

For my part, I've stopped installing stuff that "offers" this because of the lack of details, but it's extremely annoying to end up clicking through dozens of games to find ones without in-app purchasing because it's not called out in the search results... They've clearly done the bare minimum, in order to avoid losing installs over it. If they cared about their users, they'd have made it far more obvious.

Re: "Free-to-play" misleading advertising in Europe

#195

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Elections aren't an election of anyone's consent to be governed.

You are free not to use any of the services offered by society to you, which obviously requires leaving the country.

Ah, yes, the old Don't want to be nannied from cradle to grave? Well, here's your ticket to Somalia! routine. One of my all-time favorite thought-stopping arguments.

Re: "Free-to-play" misleading advertising in Europe

#196
post #186

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Same still applies, though: You're jumping to conclusions about what is important to others. I play video games with my 4 year old. He loves it, and he loves doing it with me more than the games themselves. We take him out lots too, but I have equally fond memories of times I've spent playing games with him as the ones I've spent with him on outdoors activities.

Three years and two jobs later we were picking up dinner from the grocery deli on the way home from work and preschool and up he came and asked if we were going fishing and it wasn't for a day or two that I remembered who he was and what he had said the one time we had met. It's hard for me to keep priorities in order sometimes. Even when I know, I just forget what really matters. Good luck.

> Three years and two jobs later we were picking up dinner from the grocery deli on the way home from work and preschool and up he came and asked if we were going fishing and it wasn't for a day or two that I remembered who he was and what he had said the one time we had met.

What is this, a novel in the making? The whole strange-person-who-makes-an-unforgettable-impact has to be tied with some actual event, not just a random person who impacts some sage advice, with no build up or context for imparting that sage advice. Being old doesn't quite cut it.

If it's from your own life, then well... I guess we all know one or two eccentric elderly people.

Re: "Free-to-play" misleading advertising in Europe

#197

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Indeed. There is always a point where everyone of us starts being not sophisticated. Each time somebody tells me that we shouldn't protect stupid people, I remember not feeling very smart in front of pages of legalese in insurance and banking contracts. I keep thinking, yes they are probably going to screw me, but somebody is working to prevent them from screwing me too overtly.

I guess I didn't realize the average person was that stupid. I play games with in-app purchases. It's pretty easy just not to pay for them. If the public is this bad with something as simple as in-app purchases, why should we ever legalize drugs? This is a serious question.

Legalizing drugs and regulating them would be a better analogy to the situation you're considering here. Games are legal to play and the discussion is about regulating the game makers and not the consumers.

Re: "Free-to-play" misleading advertising in Europe

#199
This is not unlike 1900 numbers that children called to hear bedtime stories. Apple and other OS providers should be regulated to conform to standards that include parent control over purchases done by their kids.

Better labeling is always in the consumer's interest. If games and other apps encourage in-app purchasing for a good experience then this info should be clearly on the packaging. And I say this as an app developer with in app purchases!

Apple already shows this info but may have to label it better.

Re: "Free-to-play" misleading advertising in Europe

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post #196

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Three years and two jobs later we were picking up dinner from the grocery deli on the way home from work and preschool and up he came and asked if we were going fishing and it wasn't for a day or two that I remembered who he was and what he had said the one time we had met. It's hard for me to keep priorities in order sometimes. Even when I know, I just forget what really matters. Good luck.

> Three years and two jobs later we were picking up dinner from the grocery deli on the way home from work and preschool and up he came and asked if we were going fishing and it wasn't for a day or two that I remembered who he was and what he had said the one time we had met. What is this, a novel in the making? The whole strange-person-who-makes-an-unforgettable-impact has to be tied with some actual event, not just…

The top level comment struck a chord because my son who used to be four was sleeping down the hall when I read it. Then in the morning a clarification that jumping in puddles is not something I claim by entitlement but something I can strive to create.

A lot of people came through my office to hear "no" or "yes" or "it depends". Only one of them had much impact on my life and that of my family and that's because the moment wasn't about making money or rather his not fixing to be not making money with his bright idea that wouldn't fly. He was fully present. That's why he could pick me out later in another context and remember what he had said and that's what makes it stick.

Deciding to put aside all the bullshit and be present for a child in a way that sticks is what matters. And it's hard sometimes.

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