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Re: Russia approves use of military in Ukraine

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Post by tzakrajs »

zeckalpha wrote: post #34

"The potential strike by the [Russian Federation] against [Ukraine], despite strong opposition from many countries and major political and religious leaders, including the pope, will result in more innocent victims and escalation, potentially spreading the conflict far beyond [Ukraine]’s borders. A strike would increase violence and unleash a new wave of terrorism. It could undermine multilateral efforts to resolve t…

I'm not so sure you can use brackets to replace any noun with another noun. It's clearly satire but some people might think this is a direct quote of Putin.

Re: Russia approves use of military in Ukraine

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Post by cwaniak »

afterburner wrote: post #138
cwaniak wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This dude never knows what to do. That's the problem. With Bush as a President Putin just wouldn't dare.

Do you remember this actual war Russia fought and won during Bush's tenure? Didn't think so. The US's forces were tied down in Afghanistan and Iraq during that time, Putin had even more leeway than he does now. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Georgia_war

What are you talking about???? Bush kept building US bases in plenty of ex-USSR republics day and night. He kept Putin by the balls. I'm an US citizen in Poland now. Bush wanted to build anti-ballistic shield in Poland that would render this country along Czech Republich untouchable by the Ruskies. First decision Obama made? He scrapped the whole deal in order not to make Russia feel bad. You have no idea how pissed of Poles are about that development. Strong president wouldn't do that. Strong President would build this freaking shield here and also in Ukraince. Just in case. And what about Syria? Huh? Obama just does what Putin says. That's whole Syria thing. Putin said, Obama did. WTF??? Is he a pussie or a president of the United States of America? He lacks balls in confrontation with America enemies who do whatever hell they want. And what is this now? Obama says on Friday, hey Putin there will be grave consequences if you involve yourself militarily in Ukraine. And what happens the very next day? What happens??Putin ignores this kid and his funny twitter posts and officially orders his army to invade Ukraine. Nobody treats this weakling seriously. Just let him go back to his community and smoke pot and leave politics to politicians with balls.

Re: Russia approves use of military in Ukraine

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Post by smsm42 »

firstOrder wrote: post #114
ZanyProgrammer wrote: post #80

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Citation needed. Name those advisors. Every country in teh world recognizes Crimea as being Ukraine. Russia has just announced its invading that.

The Crimea was part of Russia until 1954. there is a very large Russian military base there. In 1992 the Ukrainian government ceded that the Crimea was almost completely autonomous of Ukraine. How is Russia invading when it already has a massive military base there, in the Crimea, which was Russian until 1954?

Are you trolling or can't comprehend the difference between having a military base on the territory and taking over that territory completely?

Re: Russia approves use of military in Ukraine

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Post by asveikau »

davidw wrote: post #42
enraged_camel wrote: post #38

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I really wish "complaining about stuff being off-topic" was also against the guidelines. Oh wait, it is: "Please don't submit comments complaining that a submission is inappropriate for the site. If you think something is spam or offtopic, flag it by going to its page and clicking on the "flag" link. (Not all users will see this; there is a karma threshold.) If you flag something, please don't also comment that you d…

If no one points it out, people won't learn. You folks can downvote all you want. I am more than willing to spend my "karma" to attempt to preserve this site from politics. Also, while we're being picky, "I wish it were ", not "I wish it was".

Good luck fighting the good fight, that ever noble pursuit of educating the masses about an arbitrary set of rules.

Back in the real world, some of the most enlightening discussion is "off-topic". So this example is not HN, but: I still remember back in the heyday of Slashdot reading the thread on 9/11 as it happened. Did anybody complain that that wasn't "News for Nerds"? What's happening in Ukraine is in that similar category of potentially world-shaping events. It doesn't hurt any of us to start paying attention.

Re: Russia approves use of military in Ukraine

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Post by xentronium »

firstOrder wrote: post #107
lmg643 wrote: post #75

From what I gather, Obama has some of the same foreign policy advisors as Bush did. We are pursuing some backdoor strategy to get Ukraine to join the EU. The democratically elected president chose to ally with Russia instead, because Russia offered them more. We set up riots over there, and he flees the capital. The leader is declared to be deposed, and now a leader friendly to the west can take over. Russia can't st…

> We set up riots there Just looking at pictures of what was going on in Kiev, it was fairly obvious. Nothing is going on and suddenly thousands of people are bussed into Kiev. Large video screens are set up and professional placards are distributed. Of course the always tell-tale English language signs of the "we want freedom" type. It does not generate an effect of the type desired so they up the amount of violence…

Talk about Kiev riots run by neo-nazis is a laughable attempt to marginalize the people. If you can read Russian, check the bios of the people killed in Kiev ("heavenly hundred"): http://crime.in.ua/statti/20140222/nebesna-sotnya

Re: Russia approves use of military in Ukraine

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Post by us0r »

cdi wrote: post #148
smsm42 wrote: post #111

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That's some pile of bullshit. Who are "we" that set up the riots? Those people stayed there since November, with wide popular support, risking life and limb. It is unbelievably obtuse to echo Kremlin propaganda that those were but the agents of US State Department. One has to be either exceptionally ignorant or exceptionally motivated to find a way to blame America to believe this canard. >>> Question is - who is the…

>That's some pile of bullshit. Who are "we" that set up the riots? "We’ve invested over $5 billion to assist Ukraine in these and other goals that will ensure a secure and prosperous and democratic Ukraine." http://iipdigital.usembassy.gov/st/english/texttrans/2013/12... You could also research finances behind 2004 Ukrainian revolution. I'm not saying it's bad. I even support current Ukrainian revolution and I am aga…

This is the part everybody (Russians) don't quote:

"Since Ukraine’s independence in 1991, "

Re: Russia approves use of military in Ukraine

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Post by Pacabel »

raldi wrote: post #56
davidw wrote: post #12

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> I am glad this has finally got to the top of HN Because once HN is aware of it, we'll... uhm... Send Putin some nasty Perl scripts? This, like almost all political / breaking news stories, is probably off topic for this site, given the guidelines: http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html "Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Video…

People said the same thing on Slashdot after 9/11, and they were wrong then, too. Once-a-generation events, with major impacts that last for decades across an entire region of the world, transcend "news for nerds" guidelines.

But Slashdot today is also a mere shadow of what it was in 2001. At least some of the decline in readership over there has been due to a gradual increase in politics-oriented submissions being shown on the front page, rather than technology/science-oriented submissions.

While events like this do have significance, without a doubt, there is already ample coverage in a very wide variety of general news outlets. Many of the ones that are online allow for discussion, as well.

So there's little need or reason for news sites focusing on rather specific topics like technology, science, mathematics and entrepreneurship to devote page space to rather unrelated political topics. The focus and the depth of coverage is what makes such sites appealing in the first place. Diluting them with news that can be found elsewhere is counterproductive.

Re: Russia approves use of military in Ukraine

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Post by pron »

terranstyler wrote: post #126
pron wrote: post #95

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"We set up riots over there": Who? How? I don't know much about this conflict, but neither Russia nor the Ukraine are democracies in the Western sense of the word. I've been to Ukraine once. It felt like the Wild West only without the code of honor you see in the movies.

Last time I checked I didn't see any democracy in the Western sense of the word in the western world. Except for Switzerland maybe Examples: Tapping phones without warrant Searching homes without without warrant A policy of guilty until proven innocent Torture

Obviously we have much to live up to. Democracy has always been more ideal than reality. But societies differ in their place along a "democracy" spectrum, and Russia and the Ukraine are much farther from that ideal than the west.

Re: Russia approves use of military in Ukraine

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Post by jdimov »

pron wrote: post #95
lmg643 wrote: post #75

From what I gather, Obama has some of the same foreign policy advisors as Bush did. We are pursuing some backdoor strategy to get Ukraine to join the EU. The democratically elected president chose to ally with Russia instead, because Russia offered them more. We set up riots over there, and he flees the capital. The leader is declared to be deposed, and now a leader friendly to the west can take over. Russia can't st…

"We set up riots over there": Who? How? I don't know much about this conflict, but neither Russia nor the Ukraine are democracies in the Western sense of the word. I've been to Ukraine once. It felt like the Wild West only without the code of honor you see in the movies.

The "we" would be the CIA. Has their signature all over it.

Re: Russia approves use of military in Ukraine

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Post by wismer »

rjzzleep wrote: post #113
lmg643 wrote: post #75

From what I gather, Obama has some of the same foreign policy advisors as Bush did. We are pursuing some backdoor strategy to get Ukraine to join the EU. The democratically elected president chose to ally with Russia instead, because Russia offered them more. We set up riots over there, and he flees the capital. The leader is declared to be deposed, and now a leader friendly to the west can take over. Russia can't st…

how? same way libya was bombed into oblivion. same way europe and the us can "legally" send guns to extremists in syria, that decapitate civilians, christians, and basically anyone who disagrees with the destabilization efforts. same way france can constantly do political coups in african countries without anyone caring. heavy german support of the opposition, eu sanctions of the country(i'm not sure how legal this r…

Imagine if you will a US that is not imperialist; a foreign policy that is one of isolationism. Now imagine Russia as it exists today; expansionist and oligarchical. With no one strong enough to oppose it, how would anyone stop it from pulling off political coups or military invasions on flimsy pretexts?

Or vice versa?

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