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How I stay calm, by people with very stressful jobs

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Re: How I stay calm, by people with very stressful jobs

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I would not be drinking to de-stress, as per the football manager.

Yes but this is the UK where having a pint at lunch doesn't mean your a full fledged alcoholic.

I remember a course at be where the course leader also did the "dealing with staff with serious problems course" he commented it was the ones with a couple of vodka bottle hidden at work when you know they had a real problem.

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Saturation diver: risk of death A&E doctor: risk of someone else's death TV booker: risk of a guest not showing up Doesn't really compare, does it?

It does compare. People have a MIN and a MAX level of stress, and unfortunately they usually calibrate these to the most stressful situation they usually encounter : the TV booker will feel the same level of stress when a guest is not showing up that the diver feels when he knows something went wrong and he's probably going to die. The key is realizing that unfortunately this is your natural tendency, to set you MAX…

This insight ha also helped me a lot in dealing with upset kids. Very often, whatever bad think they are experiencing is literally and actually one of the worst things they have ever experienced. Whereas for me, I may well have already experienced my personal worst thing ever.

Telling them there's worse to come doesn't help, especially in the moment. So instead, I try to use my much higher MAX to remain calm and to project calm.

Re: How I stay calm, by people with very stressful jobs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

0.18% annually is not a very low number.

Especially over the 20 years mentioned in the article.

It's 3.54% over 20 years, assuming a 0.18% annually. I think that's actually quite a lot, but it's smaller than I initially expected.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes, the Diver philosophy. Let me get right on that. Anyone else want to work a fourth of the year?

"A CDC report in 1998 estimated that the occupational fatality rate for commercial divers was forty times the national average for all workers, at an annual rate of 180 deaths per 100,000 employed divers." Yeah, I'll keep the desk job, thanks.

Surprisingly, logging is way more dangerous than that here in NZ. 334 deaths per 100,000. This is a scandal here which is slowing rising to prominence. http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=...

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Saturation diver: risk of death A&E doctor: risk of someone else's death TV booker: risk of a guest not showing up Doesn't really compare, does it?

It does compare. People have a MIN and a MAX level of stress, and unfortunately they usually calibrate these to the most stressful situation they usually encounter : the TV booker will feel the same level of stress when a guest is not showing up that the diver feels when he knows something went wrong and he's probably going to die. The key is realizing that unfortunately this is your natural tendency, to set you MAX…

Reminds me of the story of the doctor with terminal cancer who is building his own coffin.

>> It’s pretty much impossible to feel anger at someone for driving too slowly in front of you in traffic when you’ve just come from sanding your own coffin.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/02/opinion/sunday/ashes-to-as...

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TL;DR: Football manager: Be careful about your information diet. Stop bringing everything home. And... alcohol? =\ Headteacher: Policy of being calm and non-confrontational. (But how?) Runs, which is therapeutic. Spends 5 minutes reflecting every day. Concilator (?): Represent the best side of both sides of the conflict. Seek common ground. If there's anger in the room, it's not me: "people are angry because they're…

What popped out for me was different: - A cool trick by the headteacher is to be available: to be at the school gate at the start and end of every day. - Wisdom by the conciliator: stress is created when people aren't in control. - Diver: reads; and being tired helps restore calm . - TV guest booker: people have their own demons, which have a habit of appearing when they're faced with going on live TV . And then... e…

>There's also a striking parallel in something he said: the stress in A&E is about me not having control. So I think it's important to have a hobby where you do have complete control. If programming is a hobby where you do have complete control, what does it say about the people it attracts?

I'm a firefighter/paramedic. He's exactly right that the most stress you'll ever feel is taking care of a critically ill or injured person and feeling like you're "behind" the call.

I'm also a full time developer (and part-time sysadmin). The two disciplines have a lot more in common than you might think. Debugging is debugging, it's just that the stakes are a bit higher in the back of the rig.

Financial reality means I get paid to use vim and save lives for free (well, less than free, I paid ~$6k in tuition to get my paramedic certification). I love my day job (I work for Silent Circle with some of the coolest and smartest people I've ever met), but I do hope that someday I get to flip which skill I get paid for full-time.

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Saturation diver: risk of death A&E doctor: risk of someone else's death TV booker: risk of a guest not showing up Doesn't really compare, does it?

It does compare. People have a MIN and a MAX level of stress, and unfortunately they usually calibrate these to the most stressful situation they usually encounter : the TV booker will feel the same level of stress when a guest is not showing up that the diver feels when he knows something went wrong and he's probably going to die. The key is realizing that unfortunately this is your natural tendency, to set you MAX…

>The key is realizing that unfortunately this is your natural tendency, to set you MAX to the most stressful situation you usually encounter and to work against this natural tendency: just image how much worse things could actually be

I have, perhaps unwittingly, done just that, and I've found it to be extremely helpful in my professional life. I'm a full time developer, and volunteer paramedic. This has seriously recalibrated my definition of an 'emergency' (if there's an emergency at work, it means the servers are _literally_ on fire).

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A short 7 minute documentary that shows saturation diving: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcSduoKj6KU

It looks a lot like being an astronaut, except instead of PhDs from MIT running the show, you have Bob from South Philly whose favorite food is a cheeseburger with donuts for a bun.

I wouldn't be surprised if Bob has an easier time making the right call without second-guessing himself when things go sideways.

In the case of activities like saturation diving (or in my case, firefighting), experience matters a hell of a lot more than all the PhDs in the world. After hundreds of dives (be it in smoke or water) you've seen just about everything that can go wrong, and you're in a much better position to break the chain of events leading up to a disaster.

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TL;DR: Football manager: Be careful about your information diet. Stop bringing everything home. And... alcohol? =\ Headteacher: Policy of being calm and non-confrontational. (But how?) Runs, which is therapeutic. Spends 5 minutes reflecting every day. Concilator (?): Represent the best side of both sides of the conflict. Seek common ground. If there's anger in the room, it's not me: "people are angry because they're…

What popped out for me was different: - A cool trick by the headteacher is to be available: to be at the school gate at the start and end of every day. - Wisdom by the conciliator: stress is created when people aren't in control. - Diver: reads; and being tired helps restore calm . - TV guest booker: people have their own demons, which have a habit of appearing when they're faced with going on live TV . And then... e…

> stress is created when people aren't in control.

I think the "Serenity Prayer" is spot on, even though it reads like a 3-part joke with a punchline (paraphrased):

  Don't try to change what you can't change
  Try to change what you can change
  Learn which is which
Because if you get them mixed up, it's either frustrating or immobilizing. Of course, you often can't know til you try, the very process of learning. Learning isn't intrinsically stressful... it's when you insist that things should be how you expect them to be that has that peculiarly frustrating quality. It's closing your eyes to reality - delusional.

Suggestion: if you find yourself saying things like "Why isn't this working!?", "What's wrong with this thing!?", take the rhetorical question literally... because there is something you don't know. Focus on finding out what it is (i.e. seeing reality), and that peculiar stress will disappear.

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