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Dallas data center raided by the FBI based on false claims by former employee

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Re: Dallas data center raided by the FBI based on false claims by former employee

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Post by danw »

matthias wrote: post #18
jacquesm wrote: post #2

I think a lot of people will be moving their hosting out of the US because of this. Unbelievable abuse of power and a total lack of understanding of the nature of this business. To do this much damage without a shred of evidence is absolutely unforgivable. The fact that the guy basically assumes that he'll go to prison because he refuses to admit guilt to stuff that he didn't do is quite telling. So much for justice.…

At FOWA Edinburgh, Stefan Magdalinski mentioned that MOO had moved their hosting to the US (from the UK) in order to improve google rankings. I guess you can't have your cake and eat it.

That's surprising. Taking your data outside of the EU can lead to all sorts of Data Protection Act complications.

Re: Dallas data center raided by the FBI based on false claims by former employee

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Post by jcromartie »

jsares wrote: post #11

It sounds like the FBI "acted stupidly" but the guy was no saint. In this thread he gives customer service that actually makes AT&T look good: http://voip.yuku.com/reply/421/t/Re-premiervoice-net-aka-pvo...

So he deserves to have all of his life's work yanked out from under him based on a lie and then sent to jail for 5 years for no crime?

Re: Dallas data center raided by the FBI based on false claims by former employee

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Post by caffeine »

jcromartie wrote: post #22

Lesson: The US Government can and will completely fuck you over for any arbitrary reason at any time with no possibility of recourse. I'm sure that's exactly what the founding fathers had in mind.

Lesson: Do not live in the US. Just Don't Do It.

Re: Dallas data center raided by the FBI based on false claims by former employee

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Post by ErrantX »

jcromartie wrote: post #22

Lesson: The US Government can and will completely fuck you over for any arbitrary reason at any time with no possibility of recourse. I'm sure that's exactly what the founding fathers had in mind.

in utter fairness this seems to be the the mission of one FBI officer (though in spirit I agree).

Re: Dallas data center raided by the FBI based on false claims by former employee

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Post by solson »

If you own an apartment building and you are suspected of committing crimes, the government cannot search or sieze the entire building without a warrant for each individual apartment. Each renter has 4th amendment protection and the courts have consistently ruled this way. So if I'm a renter, and you're the police or FBI, you can't get a warrant to seize my property from a judge until you can convince a him that you have probable cause to believe I am involved in a crime (the fact that another renter in the building or the property owner is a suspect is not justification). This same premise applies to storage lockers and other rented space. You can't simply seize an entire rental property. Co-location data centers should function the same way. Our servers are in locked cabinets at our co-lo. We have an SLA and a contract lease with the host. The property in that space is legally ours. Let's hope we never have to convince a court of that.

Re: Dallas data center raided by the FBI based on false claims by former employee

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Post by chaostheory »

Dilpil wrote: post #4
jacquesm wrote: post #2

I think a lot of people will be moving their hosting out of the US because of this. Unbelievable abuse of power and a total lack of understanding of the nature of this business. To do this much damage without a shred of evidence is absolutely unforgivable. The fact that the guy basically assumes that he'll go to prison because he refuses to admit guilt to stuff that he didn't do is quite telling. So much for justice.…

I think over the next 10 years alot of people will be moving themselves out of the US because of this. I thought the bush years were over?

Not really. If you look at the details today, it seems as if Obama has started to embrace policies by Bush and even expand them (while simultaneously still criticizing Bush).

This is one example: http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/06/27/preventive...

Re: Dallas data center raided by the FBI based on false claims by former employee

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Post by rbanffy »

dave_au wrote: post #20
jongraehl wrote: post #12

His story is, sadly, very plausible. Has anyone made a serious case that he's lying?

Some of the (extensive) reddit comments on the story cast a reasonably amount of doubt on his claims. Unfortunately there's just too many of them for me to be able to quickly summarise the various bits and pieces. On a side note, I only stopped by to see if reddit had reached digg parity - not there yet, but I'm increasingly glad that I left. (I nearly used "e-migrated" instead of "left" - and that's just from 5-10 m…

"e-migration" is a form of migration done over data lines, right?

Sorry. Couldn't resist.

Re: Dallas data center raided by the FBI based on false claims by former employee

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Post by dkersten »

caffeine wrote: post #24
jcromartie wrote: post #22

Lesson: The US Government can and will completely fuck you over for any arbitrary reason at any time with no possibility of recourse. I'm sure that's exactly what the founding fathers had in mind.

Lesson: Do not live in the US. Just Don't Do It.

Agreed. That story sucks.. :-(

Re: Dallas data center raided by the FBI based on false claims by former employee

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Post by cema »

missile wrote: post #10
cema wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying your data would be safer in Iran?

Seems like a bit of a toss-up, really.

Hacker News is really not the right place for a serious conversation on this topic, and jokes would only lead to a flame war, so I will rather abstain.
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