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Re: Mt. Gox Files for Bankruptcy Protection

#51
post #38

Serious question - is now a good time to buy Bitcoin?

Are you planning to buy it as an investment, or to use it as a currency? If the latter, this is not a good time because the currency is less stable than ever. But it could arguably be a good time to "invest" if that's your thing.

Re: Mt. Gox Files for Bankruptcy Protection

#52
What I wonder, is if Mark was actually the only one internally who had access to the cold storage wallets, what would happen if he got hit by a car and died? Have other exchanges got plans for this sort of thing? Some corps don't let their programmers fly on the same aeroplane.

I wouldn't want to own that many Bitcoin and be the only one who has access also because someone could profit considerably from your death.

Re: Mt. Gox Files for Bankruptcy Protection

#53

Hilarious. Can't wait to hear from the choir of libertarian crypto-currency-zealots, who will sing the praises of the Ponzi scheme that is Bitcoin. On a serious note: who benefits?

Unfortunately I get the feeling more and more everyday that this really is just a ponzi scheme built on really cool new technology. I mean honestly most people who buy bitcoin aren't looking to spend it or use it because of convenience, they are looking to hold it in the hopes that the price continues to go up and on the way encouraging everyone they know to buy in to drive up the price.

Re: Mt. Gox Files for Bankruptcy Protection

#54

In this incident I lost a bit more than $500,000 USD that was in my MtGox account. I sold my Bitcoins a few months back, but the USD have been sitting in my account waiting to be withdrawn. This was a massive fuck up by MtGox, but I really do feel sorry for Mark Karpeles. He seemed really enthusiastic about Bitcoin. Right by MtGox's offices in Japan was a Bitcoin Cafe being built. You can [see here]( http://si.wsj.ne…

> I lost a bit more than $500,000 USD that was in my MtGox account Sorry for your loss. Why didn't you move it to an interest-bearing bank account?

> waiting to be withdrawn

Withdrawals have been massively delayed for at least 6 months.

The smart thing to do was to withdraw bitcoins to another exchange while you still could

Re: Mt. Gox Files for Bankruptcy Protection

#55
post #9

It's easy to be angry at them and/or see how stupid they were about accounting, security, etc. But I guess on the other hand we do have to realize they are victims of massive theft, as far as we know this massive loss was not due to their own profiteering or internal theft, it was an organized outside force targeting them. It occurs to me it is like blaming someone for getting mugged, although they were stupid enough…

You are running an antique accessory business. You have a van to carry all the valuable stuff you borrow from people to sell in their name. Your van starts to leak oil. You figure out how to fix it yourself. Check engine light of the van is still blinking though, but you happened to put a post-it in your dashboard blocking it. By the way, you also never have it serviced. You keep driving for years while the situation in your engine gets worse and worse. Finally, you end up causing an accident. You didn't have anything to protect your cargo even from a bumpy ride, let alone a crash. You lost too many of your antiques because you were carrying them around with you everywhere. You also don't have resources or any insurance to cover the expenses. You think it may be a good idea to hide this fact from your customers because the antique business in your town is still new and you don't want them to lose trust for the whole sector. You first tell your customers they can't sell or take back their stuff. Then you take off your signboard. Then you sell your van. You eventually close down your shop as well. Meanwhile, you keep telling them there is something wrong with how the van is designed, so you may have lost some valuables here and there. You end up filing for bankruptcy.

Would this be just negligence?

Re: Mt. Gox Files for Bankruptcy Protection

#56

In this incident I lost a bit more than $500,000 USD that was in my MtGox account. I sold my Bitcoins a few months back, but the USD have been sitting in my account waiting to be withdrawn. This was a massive fuck up by MtGox, but I really do feel sorry for Mark Karpeles. He seemed really enthusiastic about Bitcoin. Right by MtGox's offices in Japan was a Bitcoin Cafe being built. You can [see here]( http://si.wsj.ne…

> I lost a bit more than $500,000 USD that was in my MtGox account Sorry for your loss. Why didn't you move it to an interest-bearing bank account?

probably because the withdrawals to bank havent worked for months, the writing was on the wall for a long time, people who lost money in it took a huge gamble

he should have transferred the bitcoins to bitstamp when transfers worked and cashed out.

Re: Mt. Gox Files for Bankruptcy Protection

#57

In this incident I lost a bit more than $500,000 USD that was in my MtGox account. I sold my Bitcoins a few months back, but the USD have been sitting in my account waiting to be withdrawn. This was a massive fuck up by MtGox, but I really do feel sorry for Mark Karpeles. He seemed really enthusiastic about Bitcoin. Right by MtGox's offices in Japan was a Bitcoin Cafe being built. You can [see here]( http://si.wsj.ne…

> I lost a bit more than $500,000 USD that was in my MtGox account Sorry for your loss. Why didn't you move it to an interest-bearing bank account?

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Re: Mt. Gox Files for Bankruptcy Protection

#58
post #53

Hilarious. Can't wait to hear from the choir of libertarian crypto-currency-zealots, who will sing the praises of the Ponzi scheme that is Bitcoin. On a serious note: who benefits?

Unfortunately I get the feeling more and more everyday that this really is just a ponzi scheme built on really cool new technology. I mean honestly most people who buy bitcoin aren't looking to spend it or use it because of convenience, they are looking to hold it in the hopes that the price continues to go up and on the way encouraging everyone they know to buy in to drive up the price.

Yeah, the technology fascinates me as well, it's very cool.

It's said that the real-world economics of it make no sense at all. The technology will survive though, the ideas will make their way into other pieces of software.

Re: Mt. Gox Files for Bankruptcy Protection

#59

What I wonder, is if Mark was actually the only one internally who had access to the cold storage wallets, what would happen if he got hit by a car and died? Have other exchanges got plans for this sort of thing? Some corps don't let their programmers fly on the same aeroplane. I wouldn't want to own that many Bitcoin and be the only one who has access also because someone could profit considerably from your death.

At Bitalo [0] we use multi signature wallets all over the place - for user wallets (so we cannot move them without users permissions), but also for company wallet for storing fees. For the latter, all board members have keys for them, but you only need a subset of them to access the funds. That way even if one of them loses the key or something bad happens to them, coins can still be moved by the others.

For example, you can have 2-of-4 wallets, where 4 people hold the keys, and you need only 2 of them to move funds.

[0] https://bitalo.com

Re: Mt. Gox Files for Bankruptcy Protection

#60
post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I lost a bit more than $500,000 USD that was in my MtGox account Sorry for your loss. Why didn't you move it to an interest-bearing bank account?

probably because the withdrawals to bank havent worked for months, the writing was on the wall for a long time, people who lost money in it took a huge gamble he should have transferred the bitcoins to bitstamp when transfers worked and cashed out.

> the writing was on the wall for a long time

I wish I had hindsight like you.

It was only up until these few months that Bitstamp became of any competition to MtGox. Its liquidity sucked, which was why many early adopters like me stayed.

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