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The Videogame That Finally Made Me Feel Like a Human Being

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Re: The Videogame That Finally Made Me Feel Like a Human Being

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Well, yeah, Tetris is a game. But it's a game in the same way that a termite is also a living species just like an elephant is another one. They just do not benchmark on the same scale.

I strongly disagree. A game should be first and foremost measured by its gameplay, and Tetris easily beats 99% of the games released each year on that department.

I wouldn't picture myself playing Tetris all my life, just like tons of games in the same time that you find nowadays on mobile phones, so I strongly disagree with your view. I wouldn't count Flappy Bird as a "game" as well - for me it all goes in the same bucket as Tetris, i.e. something to kill the time, but nothing I would consider to be a serious game in any measure.

Re: The Videogame That Finally Made Me Feel Like a Human Being

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I honestly hate when stats are distorted. The "almost half of gamers are female" stat is true, but the majority of female gamers favor puzzles and extremely casual games. AAA title customers are still strongly dominated by male audiences and thus, the market will cater towards that demographic. There's really nothing wrong with this. It's about as sexist as the male section in my local Macy's being 1/10 the total siz…

Hi! I'm a female video gamer. I grew up playing video games. I have played, and still play, a lot of games involving shooting things, punching and kicking things, and colorful explosions. I got hooked on the medium with Williams' "Defender". I don't play FPSs because they are, with very few exceptions, coded as Games For Guys. I've had a great time playing Portal, System Shock 2, Antichamber, and a few other first pe…

> (You would destroy me in a high-speed deathmatch because my 'put cursor on dude' skills are minimal - largely because almost every single 'put cursor on dude' game requires me to inhabit the grey/brown shoes of Mancho McGruntsalot, so I really don't feel like playing them.)

Excuse me, but most males would get destroyed in a deathmatch because most of us are not 14 year olds with nothing to do but play videogames 8 hours a day. That's true of any "twitch" game.

However, I get a little tried of the griping about video games being dominated by "male targeted". Let's flip the complaint around:

"I'm so tired of all the Disney singers/boy bands/American Idol targeting girls. Where are the songs written for boys?"

Now, see the problem?

These things are targeted at specific demographics. The FPS makers are targeting young males just like the singer factories are targeting young females.

What both sides of this equation have in common is: "Why don't the producers do instead of just factory churning a product?" And the answer, as always, is profit.

Re: The Videogame That Finally Made Me Feel Like a Human Being

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"Boys got action figures, not dolls. Boys got to have watergun fights, not play dress-up. Much like their videogame counterparts, boys got to do things, and I wanted to do things too" Find the error... If you want to do things, don't buy stuff, do things. If you feel you need to buy stuff to do things, you have already lost.

Accidentally upvoted. So to counteract: TFA is talking about children. You know, impressionable and malleable young minds that don't yet have the benefit of wisdom and experience.

Your post is Shit HN Says material.

Re: The Videogame That Finally Made Me Feel Like a Human Being

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You're making some broad assumptions here. The fact that 'AAA' titles are dominated males is because the 'AAA' titles are made by males for males with no compelling reason for many female gamers to play them.

Markets for stuff like video games don't just spring up out of nowhere. They have to be developed. Someone has to develop them. Did you read that article about the making of the market for diamond solitaire engagement rings by DeBeers? That's how you make a market, you convince people to want something that they didn't before want. Someone has to figure out how to market games for females. If you think that's easy, t…

> Someone could make a good argument that games are made for guys simply because male tastes are much simpler than females'.

Someone could also make a good argument that games are made for guys because it's one of the few good ways to separate males from their money while there are lots of alternatives to separate women from their money.

Re: The Videogame That Finally Made Me Feel Like a Human Being

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Well! Those certainly are some, eh... curious... statements, aren't they? I never read Cerebus cover-to-cover, because, well, it's freaking huge. I've only perused a couple of volumes, in particular, the first and last volumes. I'm reading his wikipedia article now. I never realized he'd become mired in a controversy and gained such a weird reputation. He doesn't seem to self-identify as misogynistic though.

He self identifies as being a defender of The Truth against a feminist dictatorship that invents things like child poverty. For him to identify as misogynist would require him to accept a world-view where viewing women as unthinking beasts was hateful, rather than being a divine message from the true god Elohim about that female trickster Yahweh. Personally I just think he went crazy with hate over his ex-wife.

It's tough in a court of public opinion, though. Especially when it comes to artistic works of fiction as interpretted by adversarial critics. Some of this is just so much gossip. Such is the life of the cartoonist who courts controversial topics, I suppose.

If the guy tries to explain himself, and only comes across as even more batshit insane, then I suppose that's his own tough luck (...or grand design, if that's what suits him). At any rate, when a person winds up in a hole, it's usually best to stop digging. From the sound of things, it seems entirely possible that he probably doesn't even really care, either way, anymore.

Re: The Videogame That Finally Made Me Feel Like a Human Being

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Hi! I'm a female video gamer. I grew up playing video games. I have played, and still play, a lot of games involving shooting things, punching and kicking things, and colorful explosions. I got hooked on the medium with Williams' "Defender". I don't play FPSs because they are, with very few exceptions, coded as Games For Guys. I've had a great time playing Portal, System Shock 2, Antichamber, and a few other first pe…

I don't really play a lot of videogames anymore, but I have a lot of trouble empathizing with this. When the gender roles are reversed it seems silly to me. "most every single 'put cursor on dude' game requires me to inhabit the grey/brown shoes of Mancho McGruntsalot, so I really don't feel like playing them" As a male, I don't think I've ever had an issue following a feminine video game character. In fact, I've nev…

Imagine a world where every major video game stars women. Where when there is a man in the cast, his only character trait is "he's the guy", versus an assortment of ladies who are at least two-dimensional. He is also probably going to be kidnapped, so he has no agency as a character - really, he only exists as a prize for the ladies to fight over.

This is not one game. This is pretty much any video game. This is pretty much every single video game in the world. Games where a male character has agency are rare. Really, games are all for girls, and you should go back to your little man things, like cooking and raising the baby.

Oh yeah, and any big budget movie has a similar gender distribution too. Almost every animated feature you watch growing up tells you to be a good little prince and wait for a brave princess to come save you. Same with TV. Everyone chases the disposable income of the teenage girl, and molds their product to her taste.

And of course there are big chunks of society that basically want to disempower you because of your gender, too.

Wow, it sure would be nice to be able to have a space where you could imagine being someone who can kick ass and not bother taking names now and then. Maybe to even spend some time pretending to be someone who'll inspire you to take more control of your real life. But all the games like that are for the women. And everyone says the games about guys aren't 'real' games anyway. They're "casual" games. And are all about cooking and taking care of babies anyway. Not very good for escaping from reality.

The few games that star dudes kicking ass become precious to you. Larry Croft, Bayonet, Kay Archer, Samuy, these are rare chances to pretend to be someone not too far off from your actual self who has POWER to actually change their environment. Sometimes you might even find yourself thinking "how would Bayonet handle this situation" and taking inspiration from it, because he's one of the few role models of your gender available for you to really inhabit via games. One of the few times you've been able to take the role of a supremely confident and capable guy, instead of a supremely confident and capable woman.

Then you have the temerity to speak up about how good the rare game that lets you play as a guy with guy concerns, who can also kick ass, and you immediately get a bunch of ladies piling on and insisting that this all seems really silly and that games are made for women, guys have those "casual" games about cleaning and cooking or about ungendered abstract puzzles and they sure play a lot of them, don't they!

And then you whimper softly to yourself and pick up your Vita to play TxK because Jane Minter may be a lady, but she's a lady who makes a damn fine abstract game about blasting the shit out of abstract things.

It's not pretending to be the opposite sex for one game that's the problem. It's pretending to be the opposite sex for almost EVERY game. It's pretty fucking wearying.

Re: The Videogame That Finally Made Me Feel Like a Human Being

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Hi! I'm a female video gamer. I grew up playing video games. I have played, and still play, a lot of games involving shooting things, punching and kicking things, and colorful explosions. I got hooked on the medium with Williams' "Defender". I don't play FPSs because they are, with very few exceptions, coded as Games For Guys. I've had a great time playing Portal, System Shock 2, Antichamber, and a few other first pe…

> (You would destroy me in a high-speed deathmatch because my 'put cursor on dude' skills are minimal - largely because almost every single 'put cursor on dude' game requires me to inhabit the grey/brown shoes of Mancho McGruntsalot, so I really don't feel like playing them.) Excuse me, but most males would get destroyed in a deathmatch because most of us are not 14 year olds with nothing to do but play videogames 8…

And us ladies saying WE ARE LADIES WHO GREW UP GAMES, WE ARE "HARDCORE" TOO get dismissed. Even though there's a fuckton of us.

Re: The Videogame That Finally Made Me Feel Like a Human Being

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Have you read his stuff on women? I like Cerebus, but he definitely has issues with women. "Emotion, whatever the Female Void would have you believe, is not a more Exalted State than is Thought. In point of fact, I think Emotion is animalistic, serpent-brain stuff. Animals do not Think, but I am reasonably certain that they have Emotions. 'Eating this makes me Happy.' 'When my fur is all wet and I am cold, it makes m…

Well! Those certainly are some, eh... curious... statements, aren't they? I never read Cerebus cover-to-cover, because, well, it's freaking huge. I've only perused a couple of volumes, in particular, the first and last volumes. I'm reading his wikipedia article now. I never realized he'd become mired in a controversy and gained such a weird reputation. He doesn't seem to self-identify as misogynistic though.

Reads.

You want to get Reads, and make yourself sit back and read all the lengthy text passages.

You'll find the crazy laid out pretty plainly there.

And then you get to decide how to reconcile the facts that (a) Sim is batshit misogynistic and (b) Sim is a total master of the form of Comics, who did some amazing things in it.

(I'm a lady who makes comics and learnt a fuckton from Cerebus. I am pretty glad "Reads" was serialized while I wasn't hitting comics shops regularly, and I didn't get the collections in order, so I could see some of the amazing techniques he played with later before realizing this was not a man whose work I wanted to support any more.)

Re: The Videogame That Finally Made Me Feel Like a Human Being

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Have you read his stuff on women? I like Cerebus, but he definitely has issues with women. "Emotion, whatever the Female Void would have you believe, is not a more Exalted State than is Thought. In point of fact, I think Emotion is animalistic, serpent-brain stuff. Animals do not Think, but I am reasonably certain that they have Emotions. 'Eating this makes me Happy.' 'When my fur is all wet and I am cold, it makes m…

he doesnt have issues with women... he sees them clearly as they are.

I bet you get all the female voids sucking your male light with lines like that.

Re: The Videogame That Finally Made Me Feel Like a Human Being

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It's not that we can't enjoy works starring a different gender. It's that in video games, we are pretty much given no other option. Look at your collection, pick up all the games that force you into a particular character's shoes. How many of them are about being a guy? How many are about being a girl? You'll probably be able to count the latter on the fingers of one hand. Also did you know that "we wanted to make a…

>It's not that we can't enjoy works starring a different gender. It's that in video games, we are pretty much given no other option. Look at your collection, pick up all the games that force you into a particular character's shoes. How many of them are about being a guy? How many are about being a girl? You'll probably be able to count the latter on the fingers of one hand. Again, how does that stop women enjoying ga…

How does this stop women enjoying games? See this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7317484
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