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A Major Coinbase Milestone: 1 Million Consumer Wallets

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Re: A Major Coinbase Milestone: 1 Million Consumer Wallets

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> The law doesn't prevent you from committing crimes. That wasn't the question, the question was what's to stop them and the answer I objected to was "Nothing"; that's false, the law is not nothing. What's to stop most bad behavior... the law.

>>What's to stop most bad behavior... the law No... what stops most bad behavior is _consequences_ . The law applies to everyone, but the consequences for breaking them don't. We will see what(if any) consequences are placed upon MtGox. Personally, I still can't see how MtGox will be found liable of anything. Bitcoins aren't protected under any law and nobody said it was okay to trade your hard-earned government-back…

The law is what defines the consequences, your pedantry is pointless.

> Bitcoins aren't protected under any law

False. Just because something is new doesn't mean existing laws don't apply to it. Bitcoins are property and property is protected by law regardless of when said item was invented. We don't have to create new law to cover every new invention man decides to own.

Re: A Major Coinbase Milestone: 1 Million Consumer Wallets

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I'm pretty sure anyone interested in heisting Bitcoin had Coinbase on their radar already.

True. So let's go with the hubris angle, then. Like others have said below, we trusted that Gox was secure as well.

Any prominent Bitcoin site is going to be the subject of continuous attacks at this point. If Coinbase has vulnerabilities like Gox did, chances are they'll get found.

Re: A Major Coinbase Milestone: 1 Million Consumer Wallets

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That's one million consumer accounts with no FDIC insurance, no surety bonds, and no other backstop in the event of a problem. I'd love to see a Coinbase blog post about why Coinbase doesn't need to be licensed like every other MSB registered with FinCEN.

FDIC insurance is aimed at banks that make loans, which Coinbase does not.

This is the correct answer. FDIC insurance is needed because when you give your money to a bank, they turn around and lend it out to other people, so when you want to withdraw they may not be able to collect enough to pay you out.

I suspect when you deposit 10 BTC in Coinbase, they actually just hold it for you. Honestly, given how volatile Bitcoin is, and the general upward trend, it would basically be insane for them to try to invest it in any other assets.

Re: A Major Coinbase Milestone: 1 Million Consumer Wallets

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> The law doesn't prevent you from committing crimes. That wasn't the question, the question was what's to stop them and the answer I objected to was "Nothing"; that's false, the law is not nothing. What's to stop most bad behavior... the law.

The law is fairly obviously not an answer though, given the context. The original question specifically asked what stops Coinbase from shutting down and taking everyone's money like MtGox did. It was just as illegal when MtGox did it, yet it happened anyway. (Actually, most of the other answers have the exact same problem.)

> The law is fairly obviously not an answer though, given the context.

You're free to think that, I'm free to think you're wrong. MtGox is in Japan, Coinbase isn't; the contexts are different.

Re: A Major Coinbase Milestone: 1 Million Consumer Wallets

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post #13

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FDIC insurance is aimed at banks that make loans, which Coinbase does not.

This is the correct answer. FDIC insurance is needed because when you give your money to a bank, they turn around and lend it out to other people, so when you want to withdraw they may not be able to collect enough to pay you out. I suspect when you deposit 10 BTC in Coinbase, they actually just hold it for you. Honestly, given how volatile Bitcoin is, and the general upward trend, it would basically be insane for th…

Maybe FDIC insurance specifically doesn't make sense for Bitcoin, but it can still be lost or stolen in a full-reserve model and thus should be insured.

Re: A Major Coinbase Milestone: 1 Million Consumer Wallets

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how are they able to guarantee an exchange rate? aren't they exposing themselves to the huge fluctuations in bitcoin price (though the price seems to have stabilized recently)? for instance, there were some days this month where the price fluctuated by more than 40%. somehow the price and volume must work out where this is a calculated risk to cultivate the broader bitcoin ecosystem. would love to see some numbers if…

They don't guarantee anything; if they don't feel like processing your trade they'll just cancel it.

Re: A Major Coinbase Milestone: 1 Million Consumer Wallets

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post #65

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> The law doesn't prevent you from committing crimes. That wasn't the question, the question was what's to stop them and the answer I objected to was "Nothing"; that's false, the law is not nothing. What's to stop most bad behavior... the law.

The law is fairly obviously not an answer though, given the context. The original question specifically asked what stops Coinbase from shutting down and taking everyone's money like MtGox did. It was just as illegal when MtGox did it, yet it happened anyway. (Actually, most of the other answers have the exact same problem.)

If there is evidence that MtGox was complicit in the loss of their customers' Bitcoin, someone will go to jail, regardless of the jurisdiction. It's plain old theft.

Re: A Major Coinbase Milestone: 1 Million Consumer Wallets

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post #36

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Lots of people in this thread seem to think that there is either no incentive for Coinbase to conduct their business legitimately, or that the law is the only incentive. That ignores the much more obvious and presumably stronger incentive: they should be able to make a lot more money as a legitimate business than if they just ran away with one lump sum.

That relies on the assumption that they will not suffer a tremendous loss due to a rogue employee, a software bug or a malicious hack. If they found themselves in a situation in which they are certain to go out of business as soon as people find out that they are in trouble, that motivation would cease to exist. It would come down to ethics, reputation, pressure from investors, etc.

Rogue employees, software bugs, and malicious hacks can also happen in a pure USD business covered by explicit laws.

Re: A Major Coinbase Milestone: 1 Million Consumer Wallets

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>>What's to stop most bad behavior... the law No... what stops most bad behavior is _consequences_ . The law applies to everyone, but the consequences for breaking them don't. We will see what(if any) consequences are placed upon MtGox. Personally, I still can't see how MtGox will be found liable of anything. Bitcoins aren't protected under any law and nobody said it was okay to trade your hard-earned government-back…

The law is what defines the consequences, your pedantry is pointless. > Bitcoins aren't protected under any law False. Just because something is new doesn't mean existing laws don't apply to it. Bitcoins are property and property is protected by law regardless of when said item was invented. We don't have to create new law to cover every new invention man decides to own.

I disagree with you... but we'll see how it plays out with MtGox.

In the eyes of the law, I don't think bitcoin is your property anymore than buying a special weapon on Eve Online with fiat-money is your legal property. Maybe it should be, maybe it will be, but today that's not the case.

Or maybe I'm completely wrong... Has anyone sought legal action on financial loss related the value of an item inside Eve Online? Or any virtual item in any system?

A straight scam I understand, but say you purchased a bunch of rare swords & armor in some online game then next month the server crashes and all players lose their virtual items and the gaming company goes bankrupt. Is the company liable?

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