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From "The Zen of Programming": ------ Hearing a disturbance, the master programmer went into the novice's cubicle. "Curse these personal computers!" cried the novice in anger, "To make them do anything I must use three or even four editing programs. Sometimes I get so confused that I erase entire files. This is truly intolerable!" The master programmer stared at the novice. "And what would you do to remedy this state…

somewhate relevent: https://xkcd.com/927/

Re: Atom

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post #401

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Vim persistent undo solves this problem: http://vimdoc.sourceforge.net/htmldoc/undo.html#undo-persist... ...I'm sure Word will catch up eventually.

Not in this case. If you accidentally `:w! thesis.txt`, persistent undo isn't going to help you.

Clipboard manager. Set to record X selections too. That does it for me. Every bit of text I select is copied to clipboard, just below the value currently held there. In this case I'd have the full content of the docx file as a second item in my clipboard manager list with an email as a first one. I set the size of the clipboard items list to 500, just in case.

I couldn't live without some kind of clipboard manager. It was Ditto on Windows and klipper now on Linux. Dunno about Mac OS, but I bet there is something with similar functionality. It adds another layer of protection to Ctrl-Z everywhere and undo-tree-mode in Emacs. As a programmer I deal with text all the time and I need to be able to recover as much as possible if I make a mistake and this (clipboard manager + undo-tree + version control + normal undo) is the most robust system I could find.

Re: Atom

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post #171

There's real opportunity here for Github and I hope they take it. Why is the basic workflow of the modern-day programmer split over multiple tools and over multiple systems? Aspects of Github could be modularised and added to the editor while still keeping the underlying tool simple and this could change our user experience for the better. Imagine flipping through your pull requests in the text editor and then seeing…

Why is seeing your friends comments and code reviews in the text editor any better than seeing them in the browser? Are we becoming this lazy? or this busy?

Same reason there exist plugins to integrate Git status & diff in Sublime: it's useful for some of us.

Re: Atom

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I think, in the long run -3 to 5 years-, Jon Skinner -Sublime Text- will be leading, like now. I can clearly see his passion and investment in his product. People at GitHub are also great, well funded, but this is not their core product. Do they have a leader -I don't know if they have or not- who will be focusing only on this product and keep up with jskinner? I am sure Atom will be around for long years, as well as…

It could be a matter of scratching your own itch: they're likely to write a lot of code and perhaps they were not satisfied with any of the existing one, and the instinctive solution for us devs it to make your dream software when none fit :)

Re: Atom

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See, I never get the tinfoil hat crowd. Are any of us so self-important, that we think our usage stats for a text editor are some kind of top-secret data? I mean, come on - it's a text editor - I edit my scratchpad and my coding projects on it. If any of the stuff I had was that top-secret, I'd be doing it in a digital clean-room, with an airgap. And I'd actually have top-secret clearance. How many of us here actuall…

I just don't understand why people downvote you. It's quite stupid to downvote someone who is merely pointing out facts. Google analytic is everywhere. If you don't want Github to track you, then don't use it. So if people fear Google, then should Github do the tracking on its own? Then all the sudden Github is not evil anymore. But look: github has your repository, your code. If you have a private repo, github still…

> Google analytic is everywhere. If you don't want Github to track you, then don't use it. So if people fear Google, then should Github do the tracking on its own? Then all the sudden Github is not evil anymore.

First, it is not "evil", it's just an invasion of privacy. Yes, if GitHub did their own tracking I wouldn't have a problem with it. What I don't want is one company that knows everything I do online and that's why I have a problem with GA. That GitHub tracks my activity on GitHub is completely acceptable.

> And you know what? Github itself has been using Google analytic for years. And now we are complaining about Google collecting data?

I can block GA in my browser, so this doesn't concern me. Using privacy invading tracking scripts all you want, I'll just block them. Can't really do the same in a desktop text editor.

Re: Atom

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VMS file versions solved that problem in the late 70ies. We are not learning anything from out history as a profession.

I'm a loyal unix guy but as a millenial without much actual hands-on experience with VMS I always love to hear anecdotes like that :) The first time I read about it was in Clifford Stoll's Cuckoo's Egg where it seemed as if there was constant competition between UNIX/VMS folks over which was the more sophisticated/elegant operating system - mostly good hearted competition of a more civilized age of course ;) I vividl…

How do you differentiate "the cult of youth" from "it is better to start from a blank slate"?

Side note: Neither of the two issues you mentioned are "one of humanity's biggest enemies to progress."

Re: Atom

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post #341

From "The Zen of Programming": ------ Hearing a disturbance, the master programmer went into the novice's cubicle. "Curse these personal computers!" cried the novice in anger, "To make them do anything I must use three or even four editing programs. Sometimes I get so confused that I erase entire files. This is truly intolerable!" The master programmer stared at the novice. "And what would you do to remedy this state…

> Sometimes I get so confused that I erase entire files OT, but just this week my wife did something that really got me thinking about how far computers haven't come in terms of usability. I heard her say "O crap" from behind her macbook, and out of habit I came to assist. For some reason unknown to both of us, she had pasted the text of an email into a document called "thesis.docx", and then saved it. The text was c…

Even worse, Mac apps are trending towars the "save as you go" model of Google Docs, which has the one advantage of you don't lose your work if an app crashes but if you started editing the wrong document, or make some changes and then change your mind and want to revert back to the last saved version you are tearing your hair out. The latter happens to me much more often.

Re: Atom

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Where are you getting this from? I can see all the source at https://github.com/atom . Every repo I checked has the MIT license.

From Tom Preston-Warner himself: http://discuss.atom.io/t/why-is-atom-closed-source/82/8 > Atom won't be closed source, but it won't be open source either. It will be somewhere inbetween, making it easy for us to charge for Atom while still making the source available under a restrictive license so you can see how everything works. We haven't finalized exactly how this will work yet. We will have full details ready f…

Wow, this is worse than I thought.

If the source code is proprietary but GitHub accepts PRs from users, it means that users will be tricked into doing free work for GitHub and have no copyright claim on their work. From the discussion you linked, it seems that many people are happy about this unfortunate situation.

Re: Atom

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post #506
post #468

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I'm a loyal unix guy but as a millenial without much actual hands-on experience with VMS I always love to hear anecdotes like that :) The first time I read about it was in Clifford Stoll's Cuckoo's Egg where it seemed as if there was constant competition between UNIX/VMS folks over which was the more sophisticated/elegant operating system - mostly good hearted competition of a more civilized age of course ;) I vividl…

How do you differentiate "the cult of youth" from "it is better to start from a blank slate"? Side note: Neither of the two issues you mentioned are "one of humanity's biggest enemies to progress."

I guess it boils down to respect - for both sides, young and old. Thanks for the compiler error ;)

Re: Atom

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> Sometimes I get so confused that I erase entire files OT, but just this week my wife did something that really got me thinking about how far computers haven't come in terms of usability. I heard her say "O crap" from behind her macbook, and out of habit I came to assist. For some reason unknown to both of us, she had pasted the text of an email into a document called "thesis.docx", and then saved it. The text was c…

Even worse, Mac apps are trending towars the "save as you go" model of Google Docs, which has the one advantage of you don't lose your work if an app crashes but if you started editing the wrong document, or make some changes and then change your mind and want to revert back to the last saved version you are tearing your hair out. The latter happens to me much more often.

My 6-year old version of Word 2008 has an option to always make a backup of the previous version when saving, which (unfortunately in this case) is off by default.
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