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Re: Atom

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Post by babby »

Dobbs wrote: post #463

I just played with atom for the last 2+ hours. It is kinda cool, but holy shit is it slow. Editing a plugin requires a reload. A reload is a good 2-4 seconds on my 4 year old mbp. The vim-mode is very incomplete and very buggy. Granted that should get a lot better in time.

It may have to do what ST3 did and queue loading of plugins after startup, instead of all at once before the editor is "usable". If they do that it could start up nice and fast in theory, though we obviously don't know what else it's trying to do yet.

Re: Atom

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Post by hoggle »

midas007 wrote: post #427
mattgreenrocks wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That's the paradigm shift. You can make desktop apps in Python, Ruby, Tcl, hell even PHP for a long time now. No compilation needed. Whether this works effectively or not comes rests almost entirely on how good their architecture is. "Hackable" doesn't mean anything if the codebase is a coupled mess. Given GH's pedigree, I don't expect that this is the case; which means there will be some ramp-up time learning the…

Redcar is a TextMate compatible editor in Ruby (JRuby). http://redcareditor.com/ But like all editors, they have to have some clear advantages and a community, or it's not a viable option.

Yes, Redcar is pretty cool! This is an inspiring talk on how to hack on it - even though I'm still mostly using vim/sublime it was pretty eye opening to me, rubies all the way down:

Crafting iOS Dev Tools in Redcar - Delisa Mason (#inspect 2013)

https://vimeo.com/69745309

Re: Atom

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Post by imlivv »

thedaniel wrote: post #44
ecnahc515 wrote: post #26

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It's built on node-webkit and chromium, which technically works on Windows, OSX and Linux. Do you seriously think they would make an OSX only editor when there's already so many that work on all platforms?

The download is only available for Mac today, but we are working on the Linux and Windows builds.

good

Re: Atom

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Post by userulluipeste »

sergeykish wrote: post #408
gavinpc wrote: post #377

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> Sometimes I get so confused that I erase entire files OT, but just this week my wife did something that really got me thinking about how far computers haven't come in terms of usability. I heard her say "O crap" from behind her macbook, and out of habit I came to assist. For some reason unknown to both of us, she had pasted the text of an email into a document called "thesis.docx", and then saved it. The text was c…

It's not her fault. One should be able to undo file system changes. Bell Labs solved this long ago by storing every file version forever http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil_(file_system) Storage is cheap

No, storage is not cheap! It may be if you're only counting files like "thesis.docx" that involves directly the user, but in reality we have a lot of programs that do automatic file operations and that would be nothing but storage trashing not to count the performance handicap.

Re: Atom

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Post by rmc »

basicallydan wrote: post #193
1qaz2wsx3edc wrote: post #71

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Currently only OSX support, win32 is being worked on, I imagine cross platform will be achieved shortly.

It shouldn't take long given that it's developed in JavaScript.

Just like how a Java application works on all platforms!

Re: Atom

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Post by dijit »

ryanac wrote: post #434
tzs wrote: post #341

From "The Zen of Programming": ------ Hearing a disturbance, the master programmer went into the novice's cubicle. "Curse these personal computers!" cried the novice in anger, "To make them do anything I must use three or even four editing programs. Sometimes I get so confused that I erase entire files. This is truly intolerable!" The master programmer stared at the novice. "And what would you do to remedy this state…

Could that also be interpreted as: ------ Hearing a disturbance, the master programmer went into the novice's cubicle. "Curse these search engines!" cried the novice in anger, "To find anything I must scroll through three or even four pages of results. Sometimes I get so confused that I just give up. This is truly intolerable!" The master programmer stared at the novice. "And what would you do to remedy this state of…

learning the facets, quirks and customisations of a text editor can't really be likened to the 'pick-up and go' model like a search engine.

Re: Atom

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Post by userulluipeste »

gavinpc wrote: post #377
tzs wrote: post #341

From "The Zen of Programming": ------ Hearing a disturbance, the master programmer went into the novice's cubicle. "Curse these personal computers!" cried the novice in anger, "To make them do anything I must use three or even four editing programs. Sometimes I get so confused that I erase entire files. This is truly intolerable!" The master programmer stared at the novice. "And what would you do to remedy this state…

> Sometimes I get so confused that I erase entire files OT, but just this week my wife did something that really got me thinking about how far computers haven't come in terms of usability. I heard her say "O crap" from behind her macbook, and out of habit I came to assist. For some reason unknown to both of us, she had pasted the text of an email into a document called "thesis.docx", and then saved it. The text was c…

"Microsoft word on a macbook, and your penultimate version of a file is not backed up."

Your comments makes me think that neither you nor your wife knew about tracking changes in office documents: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/word-help/track-changes-wh...

But then considering that the unfortunate loss of data happened after an already lengthy sequence of manual actions, I wouldn't be surprised if the "o crap" would come after a longer sequence that involves disabling whatever should have been prevented the unpleasant events. I'm sorry for the loss, but I don't find my profession responsible more than I would find a car designer/engineer responsible for a car accident caused by driver's deficient attention.

Re: Atom

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Post by hrktb »

gavinpc wrote: post #377
tzs wrote: post #341

From "The Zen of Programming": ------ Hearing a disturbance, the master programmer went into the novice's cubicle. "Curse these personal computers!" cried the novice in anger, "To make them do anything I must use three or even four editing programs. Sometimes I get so confused that I erase entire files. This is truly intolerable!" The master programmer stared at the novice. "And what would you do to remedy this state…

> Sometimes I get so confused that I erase entire files OT, but just this week my wife did something that really got me thinking about how far computers haven't come in terms of usability. I heard her say "O crap" from behind her macbook, and out of habit I came to assist. For some reason unknown to both of us, she had pasted the text of an email into a document called "thesis.docx", and then saved it. The text was c…

Sometimes I am boiling a stew, and while I am preparing another dish on the side, for some unknown reason I put the raw eggs on the stew instead of the fry pan.

Pans have been there for centuries, and there is nothing preventing me from throwing stuff in the wrong place, nor undo the eggs in the stew. It's so intolerable, and I feel so ashamed and guilty on behalf of all the pan makers.

Not. We are in a field where we can prevent a lot more stuff to happen than in the real world (and the real world is soooo broken...). We should try our best to make the state of usability and fool-proofness advance as much as we can, and surely there must already be something that would help your wife's case. But we should also be more realistic when voicing expectations.

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