This is a privacy nightmare. Perhaps wifi devices should no longer provide constant MAC addresses....
Or rename "Airplane mode" to "Shopping mode"
Seriously. I'm thinking it's time I set up my phone to turn off wifi whenever I am away from home.
But would that even be the end of it? With Wifi off the phone is still broadcasting on cellular channels. Could a device be built that listened to those signals and uniquely identify them?
... or you could just alter your MAC address to something non personally identifiable (00:00:00....) ... possibly rotating random ones, or whatever. The point is, this is trivially defeated without turning wifi off.
Why are posts allowed that just have the site's URL as the entire post title?
The post title is the same as the page title, which is what you're expected to submit.
I imagine HN would just scrape the title automatically if that's the low standard that's been set for headlines here. The "title" field is presumably there so that people can enter something more descriptive.
City of Houston does MAC address tracking on the freeways and surface streets to power their traffic tracking measures. It's probably used in hundreds of other places you haven't thought about. If you're concerned about your privacy just turn wifi off. http://traffic.houstontranstar.org/layers/
Does this still work when you disable wifi on your phone?
This is a privacy nightmare. Perhaps wifi devices should no longer provide constant MAC addresses....
I'm confused why it's a privacy nightmare. They could just as easily sit someone there and count how many people are in a store and write it down. Your face is an identifier. I don't get why people think that anything technological anymore is instantly privacy nightmare. For an often technological website there is so much technophobia.
Risky. MAC address tracking is definitely a legal 'grey area' at the moment. I can imagine mining/fingerprinting in this way could easily become illegal in the not-to-distant future. In the UK, City of London already banned the wifi-enabled bins that were tracking MAC addresses. It would be really easy to tie a name to MAC address (from point of purchase with a credit card), then see exactly where that person went vi…
City of Houston does MAC address tracking on the freeways and surface streets to power their traffic tracking measures. It's probably used in hundreds of other places you haven't thought about. If you're concerned about your privacy just turn wifi off. http://traffic.houstontranstar.org/layers/
I live in Houston and never knew how it worked. I assumed they only used the toll tags. It's actually not wifi, but rather bluetooth: http://traffic.houstontranstar.org/bluetooth/transtar_blueto.... I am not sure if the bluetooth radio on the phones uses a different MAC than the wifi radio.
This is a privacy nightmare. Perhaps wifi devices should no longer provide constant MAC addresses....
I'm confused why it's a privacy nightmare. They could just as easily sit someone there and count how many people are in a store and write it down. Your face is an identifier. I don't get why people think that anything technological anymore is instantly privacy nightmare. For an often technological website there is so much technophobia.
The difference is one of precision, scale, and duration.
Also in terms of cost, there's a difference between tracking which imposes a marginal human cost of production versus tracking which can be fully automated by machine, even if there is still a per-machine cost.
A relevant example is the Supreme Court ruling on needing a warrant for using a GPS tracker on a car versus just tailing them.
> The only value they offer is violating people's privacy. I don't think reading a value being freely broadcast by a person in your building is an invasion of privacy, how is this any different from having security cameras with audio or anything else. Saying you have privacy to something you are broadcasting in public, even more specifically in this case a privately owned building is a little daft. Do you think it's…
If I enter Starbucks I indeed expect that everyone around knows about it. I don't expect that some system will store this information and will be able to associate it with my other activities.
Well that is the capability of security cameras, loyalty cards, credit cards, scanning ID to get booze and a million other identification means. Unless you go to Starbucks wearing a ski-mask, a Faraday cage, and paying with cash you are possibly being tracked for marketing data. As much as I have an natural dislike against rampant corporate abuse, I am hard pressed to find a reason a privately owned merchant couldn't put one of these in their store. When I go to a hockey game I get my ticket checked, my ID checked, I have to empty my pockets, possibly even my bag, and I have to get scanned by a metal detector. But that is something I consent to so that I may go about enjoying the game. I feel as though eventually these types of Mac address scanners, loyalty cards, credit card tracking, and things of the like will just be terms that the stores set that we just sacrifice to be able to shop there. As for me I would just rather turn off my wifi and buy as much as I can off online stores.