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MPAA’s latest anti-piracy move accidentally screws Hollywood studios

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Re: MPAA’s latest anti-piracy move accidentally screws Hollywood studios

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But this plan wasn't organized by workers, it was done by one blogger. He may be donating this strategy to any collection of workers willing to make use of it but he paid the lawyers and they only shared it with him.

He crowdfunded the money to pay the lawyers to look into it, quite a few people in the industry donated, it wasn't all his money. He published the lawyers' findings on his blog. As is often the case, there is one person who is leading the charge and acting as spokesperson, but there are a lot of people involved in this. See how many show up for the march outside the Oscars.

ah, now that sounds like a much better situation. glad to hear it.

Re: MPAA’s latest anti-piracy move accidentally screws Hollywood studios

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So how does this affect other people? Let's say I do work for a European company, but I live and work in the US as a freelancer. Are the services I provide and the files I transmit now considered exports? Do I have to deal with yet more complexity come tax time? Sounds like it could be a huge pain in the ass.

Re: MPAA’s latest anti-piracy move accidentally screws Hollywood studios

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post #5

If the states compete with subsidies, I cannot see how small countries with small populations and economies (such as new zealand) cannot also offer tax breaks. They would be laughed out of court. Not to mention all the farming and energy subsidies paid by the federal government at the detriment of other countries. This is just a flimsy case for protectionism.

It's actually a case for free trade. CVDs are meant to balance out the advantages of foreign subsidies (protectionism) and provide a level playing field for domestic (US) industries. As far as I'm aware there aren't any such laws about free trade between states, so when Louisiana passes subsidies and takes work from California, I don't think there's anything you can do about it. But once it goes international, variou…

so when Louisiana passes subsidies and takes work from California, I don't think there's anything you can do about it.

Sorry for straying off topic, but doesn't this send up any flags?

I mean, on one hand, we can see that states can compete against each other (so long as they don't interfere with trade). And on the other hand, the economy of the USA is the most prosperous in the world, ever.

Could it be that protectionism isn't really helping anything in the big picture, and in fact introduces inefficiencies into the system?

Re: MPAA’s latest anti-piracy move accidentally screws Hollywood studios

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post #33

Can someone post a short summary explaining: (1) What the MPAA's move was (2) How it screwed the studios

1) They argued that moving digital good around should be subject to import tax/duties just like physical goods (steel/ lumber). The case they were making was for finished digital products.

2) The same argument can be used for the unfinished digital goods of the movies - the special effects. Currently large studios outsource the post production work to cheap labor markets.

Using the same justification as the MPAA uses for finished movies, labor activists in the domestic FX industry can have the government slap an import tariff on the special effects digital content as it comes into the country, wiping out the cost savings from outsourcing it in the first place.

Re: MPAA’s latest anti-piracy move accidentally screws Hollywood studios

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This is interesting. Essentially, if offshore development work is done somewhere that a significant subsidy is involved, it may be illegal according to WTO and US trade rules, if the digital product itself is defined under the same regulations as "manufactured goods." It seems that the MPAA has actually weighed in on a separate anti-piracy measure regarding 3d printers, where they argue that digital works should be regarded as manufactured goods with the same protections.

Re: MPAA’s latest anti-piracy move accidentally screws Hollywood studios

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's actually a case for free trade. CVDs are meant to balance out the advantages of foreign subsidies (protectionism) and provide a level playing field for domestic (US) industries. As far as I'm aware there aren't any such laws about free trade between states, so when Louisiana passes subsidies and takes work from California, I don't think there's anything you can do about it. But once it goes international, variou…

so when Louisiana passes subsidies and takes work from California, I don't think there's anything you can do about it. Sorry for straying off topic, but doesn't this send up any flags? I mean, on one hand, we can see that states can compete against each other (so long as they don't interfere with trade). And on the other hand, the economy of the USA is the most prosperous in the world, ever. Could it be that protecti…

Protectionism and free trade are loaded terms. The real issue is the balance of power between the public and private sectors. For several decades the power has shifted more and more toward the private sector. Is it a coincidence that inequality has grown in lockstep? Probably not.

Re: MPAA’s latest anti-piracy move accidentally screws Hollywood studios

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post #19

So protectionism is now the next cool thing?

> So protectionism is now the next cool thing?

It looks like countries have been doing subsidies for a long time, so protectionism is an old thing. Slapping a tariff on those imports is one way to neutralize that kind of protectionism.

Re: MPAA’s latest anti-piracy move accidentally screws Hollywood studios

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

so when Louisiana passes subsidies and takes work from California, I don't think there's anything you can do about it. Sorry for straying off topic, but doesn't this send up any flags? I mean, on one hand, we can see that states can compete against each other (so long as they don't interfere with trade). And on the other hand, the economy of the USA is the most prosperous in the world, ever. Could it be that protecti…

Protectionism and free trade are loaded terms. The real issue is the balance of power between the public and private sectors. For several decades the power has shifted more and more toward the private sector. Is it a coincidence that inequality has grown in lockstep? Probably not.

Perhaps we have different ideas in mind with the terms "public" and "private". The power of both the government (i.e., "public") and corporations (i.e., the business part of the "private" sector) are interdependent, and they wax and wane together.

When we citizens complain about a problem, asking the government to stop it, the legislature makes laws intended (if we're feeling charitable) to rein in the actions of industry. This is done by creating regulatory agencies. But who to staff those agencies with? We need regulators who actually understand what the industry does. Thus, the regulators wind up being staffed by people from the industry, or at least people having a mental paradigm matching that of the status quo. This is called "regulatory capture", and the effect is that over time, the forces intended to bind industry winds up reinforcing the industry.

So what we see is that giving the government more power, intentioned to protect us, winds up subverted and perverted to protecting the industries that were in the crosshairs. This necessarily happens, despite best intentions; see "public choice economics". The more you empower government with the intention of controlling corporations, the more power eventually winds up being wielded by those captured regulatory agencies, helping the corporations.

And the result is that our system today is frequently referred to as "corporatist", meaning that the power of government serves to keep industry afloat.

Corporations wield much more power today, yes. But that's only because we've been suckered into giving more power to the government (ostensibly to control industry). So the power increases in lockstep, and if you want to decrease the power of industry, you need to strip the government power that they've captured. Weaken the corporations by weakening the government, in other words.

Re: MPAA’s latest anti-piracy move accidentally screws Hollywood studios

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's actually a case for free trade. CVDs are meant to balance out the advantages of foreign subsidies (protectionism) and provide a level playing field for domestic (US) industries. As far as I'm aware there aren't any such laws about free trade between states, so when Louisiana passes subsidies and takes work from California, I don't think there's anything you can do about it. But once it goes international, variou…

so when Louisiana passes subsidies and takes work from California, I don't think there's anything you can do about it. Sorry for straying off topic, but doesn't this send up any flags? I mean, on one hand, we can see that states can compete against each other (so long as they don't interfere with trade). And on the other hand, the economy of the USA is the most prosperous in the world, ever. Could it be that protecti…

Protectionism doesn't help overall wealth in the big picture, but it does help relative wealth in the local picture. Free-trade works super efficiently (note, Efficiency != Good for all), as long as the world economy operates as one cooperating system. It effectively acts like wealth diffusion while providing low cost goods and services in kind. In a perfectly competing system, with no tariffs, no non-tariff barriers to trade, no subsidies, no wage controls / limitations / support, no trade bans, and no exchange rate / currency manipulation.

Unfortunately, a) all those things not only exist, but are extremely common, b) the local effect of free trade often looks like a reduction in wealth / wages / living standards, if wealth is diffusing faster than the cost reductions and buying power are keeping up, c) humans as nationalistic / tribal groups often view the world in terms of Us and Them and want to WIN, (human psychology is defined in terms of deltas, my wealth means nothing if you're also wealthy) and d) it has the unfortunate side-effect of heavily rewarding entrenched players and accelerating wealth consolidation due to reduced negotiation ability for workers.

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