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Re: Jeeves – A Language for Automatically Enforcing Privacy Policies

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Post by inkovic » Wed, Feb 26, 2014, 2:10 PM UTC

untothebreach wrote: post #5

Please submit the original source. If a blog post reports on something they found on another site, submit the latter. http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

In defense of the OP, it technically IS the original source. Technology review is a product of MIT and they were merely reposting, word for word, their press release.

Re: Jeeves – A Language for Automatically Enforcing Privacy Policies

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Post by taybin » Wed, Feb 26, 2014, 2:17 PM UTC

Very interesting. Removing human error is maybe overstating the benefit, since you can still introduce bugs in your use of the DSL, but it's very interesting. The writeup is pretty opaque to me, but I'd love to see some libraries build on this.

Re: Jeeves – A Language for Automatically Enforcing Privacy Policies

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Post by jeanyang » Wed, Feb 26, 2014, 2:18 PM UTC

Happy to answer questions!

Re: Jeeves – A Language for Automatically Enforcing Privacy Policies

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Post by tkellogg » Wed, Feb 26, 2014, 2:20 PM UTC

jmnicolas wrote: post #10

It's not a programming language, but a DSL.

Honestly, I'm glad its only a DSL. It means I can still use the programming language that I love but get the benefits of some obscure special purpose language.

Re: Jeeves – A Language for Automatically Enforcing Privacy Policies

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Post by bjz_ » Wed, Feb 26, 2014, 2:27 PM UTC

jmnicolas wrote: post #10

It's not a programming language, but a DSL.

Ah yes. From the README on github:

> Jeeves is a programming language for automatically enforcing privacy policies. We have implemented it as an embedded domain-specific language in Python.

I'm guessing the PR person writing the original post thought "Programming Language" sounded better.

Re: Jeeves – A Language for Automatically Enforcing Privacy Policies

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Post by bjz_ » Wed, Feb 26, 2014, 2:31 PM UTC

milliams wrote: post #2

Link to the actual project: http://projects.csail.mit.edu/jeeves/ This article tells nothing useful.

No examples on the home page. Nor in the 'code' section. Or in the README on github. You'd think people would learn that most readers on the internet give up looking after 3 seconds.

Re: Jeeves – A Language for Automatically Enforcing Privacy Policies

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Post by mratzloff » Wed, Feb 26, 2014, 2:38 PM UTC

jeanyang wrote: post #13

Happy to answer questions!

Can you give a high-level overview of the implementation? I read the README, and if I could guess it seems enforcement is determined through wrapped values, lambda functions that determine access based on numeric thresholds, and roles are assigned numbers in that range. Is that close?

Re: Jeeves – A Language for Automatically Enforcing Privacy Policies

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Post by jeanyang » Wed, Feb 26, 2014, 2:40 PM UTC

bjz_ wrote: post #16

milliams wrote: post #2

Link to the actual project: http://projects.csail.mit.edu/jeeves/ This article tells nothing useful.

No examples on the home page. Nor in the 'code' section. Or in the README on github. You'd think people would learn that most readers on the internet give up looking after 3 seconds.

There are some examples here: https://github.com/jeanqasaur/jeeves/wiki/A-Quick-Introducti...

Thanks for the feedback and sorry they were hard to find!

Re: Jeeves – A Language for Automatically Enforcing Privacy Policies

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Post by ape4 » Wed, Feb 26, 2014, 2:43 PM UTC

I am sure Facebook's oversharing is due to a programmer error. /s

Re: Jeeves – A Language for Automatically Enforcing Privacy Policies

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Post by scotch_drinker » Wed, Feb 26, 2014, 2:45 PM UTC

Every time I see something like "Removes Human Error", I think of Nassim Taleb's Antifragile. This drive to remove errors is likely flawed from the start since we, as humans, are error prone. It's interesting from a theoretical standpoint but there will be human error, regardless of the language. Errors are part of human existence.