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Space Elevators Are Possible

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What happens if something hits the cable and it breaks? Does the whole thing drift off into space?

I didn't see it mentioned in this article, but the cable is actually very small. I read this older NASA study that said that for a carbon nanotube tether, an optimal cable would be a thin tape something like an inch across. That has pretty small cross section for being hit by a meteoroid.

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If we can make one, it seems pretty obvious from the studies I've seen that it will be the major enabling technology for getting into space in a large way. Unfortunately, I don't think we've hit the carbon nanotube lengths that we'd need (on the order of meters).

Here's a great book that came out of a NASA funded study that breaks the issues down well, including costs, necessary tech, and methods for dealing with potential issues like cable breakage: http://www.amazon.com/Space-Elevator-Earth-Space-Transportat...

Their conclusion was that it would be much more cost effective than most people think, and that it would enable an incredible reduction in cost to orbit due to not needing to use a pyramid of fuel to carry other fuel for later, or enormous one-time-use precision machinery, and instead using simple containers with electric motors and transmitted electricity.

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The rocket ride is shorter.

That just means you get to the high-radiation regions faster...

No, you will spend more time in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Allen_radiation_belt with a space elevator.

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What happens if something hits the cable and it breaks? Does the whole thing drift off into space?

Your question's been well answered by ars, but often the next question is: how dangerous would it be to people on earth if it broke? The answer is not at all. As lutorm points out the cable would be vanishingly thin - there would be a lot of gentle drifting and no firey death from above.

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The main problem with the elevator, in my opinion, for many years already is not in the strength of the material. After all, nanotubes are known for many years, and their properties are sufficient for the tether, so in principle it can be done. No, the main problem is with satellites. In fact, asking many times - what to do with existing or future satellites - I never heard a workable answer, even in principle.

Just a reminder - every satellite crosses the equatorial plane twice for every rotation around the Earth. Majority of satellites are below the geostationary orbit. So, given enough time every satellite will hit the tether - and even if tether is near-zero width, the satellite isn't.

One of ideas was to dynamically move the tether - from the Earth, making propagating wave along the tether, which would avoid the satellites. This means we need the good means of watching the space and predicting satellites movements - even small satellites can bring trouble. But that's not enough, we might get a situation when we need to perform conflicting movements, considering the current state of the wave.

This problem is well known for decades. Attempts to launch satellites from the elevator - and the elevator makes it tantalizingly cheap, so we'll want to launch many - will exacerbate the problem. The whole world astronautics will have to adjust to accomodate the elevator - and nobody knows how it is going to look like.

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The main problem with the elevator, in my opinion, for many years already is not in the strength of the material. After all, nanotubes are known for many years, and their properties are sufficient for the tether, so in principle it can be done. No, the main problem is with satellites. In fact, asking many times - what to do with existing or future satellites - I never heard a workable answer, even in principle. Just…

I was going to bring this concern as well. I expect that in theory we could build a space elevator but I doubt we could keep it in space. Between space junk, meteorites, and regular gear flying around like GPS nodes, items in a non-orbit (which they would be in this configuration) will be hit with more than enough energy to destroy even the strongest materials we have out there.
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