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Element 14 Holding Orders Based On US Government Watch List

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Re: Element 14 Holding Orders Based On US Government Watch List

#51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the alpha radiation emitted is barely able to penetrate a sheet of paper, let alone the detector housing and ten feet of air to your body.

But then it gets into the water supply and is bombaring your cells from nanometers away . . .

Except that americium dioxide is insoluble[0], so it wouldn't dissolve in the water supply. Even if consumed, it would pass straight through your digestive system and wouldn't accumulate in the body.

[0] http://media.cns-snc.ca/pdf_doc/ecc/smoke_am241.pdf

Re: Element 14 Holding Orders Based On US Government Watch List

#53
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And so what? some guy stabs someone with a screwdriver and the US regulate the export of them between Commonwealth countries, still without regulating the AK-47 in its own country? There is more regulation on CNC machining center than on firearms. It's stupid. The US doesn't refrain from sending hellfires missiles on weddings, which kills more surely than the once in a lifetime freak who assemble some mildly radioact…

That's because an AK-47 is an AK-47: it's not a game-changer. But a CNC machining system that lets you build silent ship propellers can dramatically change the threats the world faces.

> But a CNC machining system that lets you build silent ship propellers can dramatically change the threats the world faces.

Bullshit. (and yes I know about the Toshiba incident)

Re: Element 14 Holding Orders Based On US Government Watch List

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Export restrictions have been in place for a very long time. Another relatively well-known distributor that got bitten is McMaster-Carr, a mechanical parts supplier (with a very nice web design - http://mcmaster.com/ ). After shipping something to a location they shouldn't have, they were penalized in 2003 and they no longer ship outside the US. Which is a damn shame, because they have a great catalogue of stuff that…

They aren't exporting anything to this guy. He's an Australian picking up his order in person in Australia. US laws don't apply.

Except for the fact that our illustrious government here in Australia seems intent on becoming Little America. I'd assume that's why this dumb law is applied.

Re: Element 14 Holding Orders Based On US Government Watch List

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post #9

Export restrictions have been in place for a very long time. Another relatively well-known distributor that got bitten is McMaster-Carr, a mechanical parts supplier (with a very nice web design - http://mcmaster.com/ ). After shipping something to a location they shouldn't have, they were penalized in 2003 and they no longer ship outside the US. Which is a damn shame, because they have a great catalogue of stuff that…

it breaks ctrl + click :(

Yeah, I avoided buying anything from them for the last 7 years because their site was so Javascript heavy.

Re: Element 14 Holding Orders Based On US Government Watch List

#56

The most impressive thing about this is that someone managed to successfully complete an order at Element14, where registration before ordering is compulsory (and can take up to a dozen attempts because the site throws random 500 errors almost everywhere), and where Visa cards are required to have start dates even though most of them don't, and where they don't answer your email telling them about the errors.

> registration before ordering is compulsory

It's mostly a B2B company, I think it's natural their website won't be optimised for other types of users. You can still add items to the basket and see total charges without being logged in.

> where Visa cards are required to have start dates even though most of them don't

Are you sure? I guess it could be different on your local version of the website, but it's not the case on the UK one: http://i.imgur.com/fcPF3Qv.png

Re: Element 14 Holding Orders Based On US Government Watch List

#57
post #56

The most impressive thing about this is that someone managed to successfully complete an order at Element14, where registration before ordering is compulsory (and can take up to a dozen attempts because the site throws random 500 errors almost everywhere), and where Visa cards are required to have start dates even though most of them don't, and where they don't answer your email telling them about the errors.

> registration before ordering is compulsory It's mostly a B2B company, I think it's natural their website won't be optimised for other types of users. You can still add items to the basket and see total charges without being logged in. > where Visa cards are required to have start dates even though most of them don't Are you sure? I guess it could be different on your local version of the website, but it's not the c…

Very sure, since I had to report this on Thursday last. Was just about to lob in a Raspberry Pi and show you, but the World's Lousiest Ecommerce Site bounced me out completely, sent me to cpcireland.farnell.com, logged me out and now wants me to reregister there solely to show you a GIF. Sorry, but not worth it. You're just going to have to believe me.

Re: Element 14 Holding Orders Based On US Government Watch List

#58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you. It's depressing how quick people can be to dismiss something as stupid without considering how those rules came about in the first place.

And so what? some guy stabs someone with a screwdriver and the US regulate the export of them between Commonwealth countries, still without regulating the AK-47 in its own country? There is more regulation on CNC machining center than on firearms. It's stupid. The US doesn't refrain from sending hellfires missiles on weddings, which kills more surely than the once in a lifetime freak who assemble some mildly radioact…

Incidentally, automatic rifles such as AK-47s are heavily regulated in the US. It's possible to get them, but it requires a lot of paperwork, they're all at least 25 years old, and more cannot be imported.

The More You Know.

Re: Element 14 Holding Orders Based On US Government Watch List

#59

an obvious hacker question What happens when you change your name to a dead terrorists name? Is there no in government somewhat curious about all the holes in their watch list implementation..

Obvious USG answer: The same thing as happens if you have a living terrorist's name. The no-fly list includes dead terrorists in case terrorist identity thieves impersonate them; the Treasury OFAC SDN list (more relevant here, though I do not see David Jones on it) includes dead people because their money does not automatically disappear from their bank accounts and their Amazon Free Super Saver Shipping packages do not immediately disappear from the shipping company's horse-drawn wagons.

Re: Element 14 Holding Orders Based On US Government Watch List

#60

This is actually great news. It has been impossible to find out whether you are on the US watch list. Now you have to do is get an Australian with your name to order something from Element 14 and now you know.

this is like release checklists made by people with OCD. 200x ridiculous, frivolous steps. After some time, you ignore even the important ones and shit happen.

This is the same. A system so bad that triggers so many false positives, that when John Terrorist orders 2Lb of uranium from them, the sales guy will be so used to just move the name on the order form that it will not even register in his mind.

This only proves it has nothing to do with preventing crime, but just proving internationally that you have bullying powers. That, or incompetence is off the charts.

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