Starting to Demo the Wolfram Language [video]
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#22Re: Starting to Demo the Wolfram Language [video]
#23I worked on Mathematica for 2 years, and really the biggest downside is how its an incredibly powerful tool that fails in many practical applications. It failed to power the backend of a search engine (Wolfram Alpha), and based on my latest version of Mathematica, the dynamic computing features, visualization, and JIT compilation features still have a long way to go. It's an incredible and fascinating tool when you'r…
What happens if you run it on itself - eg you do some sort of basic program with a little bit of structure and generate code from it, and then analyze the code, eg to make a graph of it (if that makes sense). Or to put it another way, what are the possibilities of making better tools Mathematica (or Wolfram Language or whatever it is called now) using Mathematica?
Mathematica's huge selling points (to me) are that it's a fantastic CAS and it shatters the barriers between analytic and numeric tools. Many engineering and statistical codes involve 2/3 math and 1/3 computer science (or the other way around). Mathematica is in a completely different league for those problems because it handles the 2/3 about 50x better than your typical programming language and it handles the interface between the 2/3 and the 1/3 about 100x better than your typical programming language.
Mathematicians, engineers, and scientists regularly use a number of abstractions that your typical programmer doesn't care about: integration, differential equations, linear algebra (including infinite-dimensional and tensors), coordinate systems, statistical distributions, etc, etc. These abstractions are almost never considered during language design so you spend hours writing glue code to achieve the simplest of tasks. Unless you have a Mathematica license.
Example: you're writing a finite element code. The "meat and potatoes" of the problem involve putting a differential equation into weak form and evaluating a bunch of integrals to compute matrix elements. Mathematica can represent and display those elements using proper mathematical notation, it can find analytic AND numeric solutions, it can hold off on substituting variables until the last second (or elegantly substitute different sets of values for different problems), it can visualize all of this in a dozen different ways without worrying about indices and sampling rates, and it can generate code if you're feeling trusting that day. Now you want to evaluate convergence for a bunch of different meshing strategies. Not a problem: Mathematica can interpolate your meshed solutions to whatever order you want in whatever dimension using a single command and it can take differences between those interpolations and integrate with another. You never have to notice that the mesh points don't line up. You never have to spend a second thinking about multi-dimensional quadrature on tetrahedral meshes. Now you want to compare statistics about the mesh graph to an analytic model you found using Bayes Theorem in 3D parameter space and solve for the maximum likelihood values? Again, you don't have to worry about meshing or gradient descent or how to put least squares into matrix form. Just write the high-level math and let Mathematica worry about the rest. Now you want to use a simplified PDE model with an analytic solution and compare that to the numerical solutions? Mathematica can solve the PDE and take care of all the interpolation and quadrature needed to integrate the square difference with the numerical solutions. Then it can plot all these errors and update the plot automatically as you go back and change things. The value-addition vs a general purpose language is off the charts.
None of that translates to the process of writing another Mathematica, since the algorithms Mathematica lets you abstract away are precisely the things you would need to worry about to implement another Mathematica.
Mathematica = A + B = (1000s of algorithms that mathematicians, scientists, and engineers care about, all coded with a common interface) + (syntax that elegantly glues them together)
B is comparatively easy and interesting if you like languages -- Mathematica's language is LISP on steroids. A is the schlep, and it's a doozy.
Re: Starting to Demo the Wolfram Language [video]
#24There are clearly benefits to be gained from smooth integration, and the demo is impressive considering it only uses stuff built into the language. But there's also something to be said for letting different teams of people focus on building smaller and more focused tools which can be combined in a variety of ways. I worry that this Wolfram language will be limited in its usefulness for real applications because it simply tries to bite off too much.
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#25This seems super exciting. I'm not sure if you could build large-scale applications with it, but I cannot wait to play around with it. Side note: The use of "I" and "My" really irks me. I imagine many, many people made this happen and contributed to these design goals. I guess this shouldn't take away from how cool this technology is, but it definitely leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Re: Starting to Demo the Wolfram Language [video]
#26Wow, nice demo. It is interesting to see Wolfram explain his vision for an "ultimate fusion language" -- a powerful multi-paradigm language, a huge standard library, data sources, and deployment all rolled into one. This monolithic approach seems to be the opposite of the Unix philosophy, and I wonder how that will play out. There are clearly benefits to be gained from smooth integration, and the demo is impressive c…
Re: Starting to Demo the Wolfram Language [video]
#27I worked on Mathematica for 2 years, and really the biggest downside is how its an incredibly powerful tool that fails in many practical applications. It failed to power the backend of a search engine (Wolfram Alpha), and based on my latest version of Mathematica, the dynamic computing features, visualization, and JIT compilation features still have a long way to go. It's an incredible and fascinating tool when you'r…
Could you give some more detail on how it failed to power Wolfram Alpha? Did they switch to an alternate language?
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#28Ego Force One has taken off again :(
Regardless of his ego, he has somewhat earned the bragging rights given that he is responsible for mathematica and wolfram-alpha.
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#29Re: Starting to Demo the Wolfram Language [video]
#30I worked on Mathematica for 2 years, and really the biggest downside is how its an incredibly powerful tool that fails in many practical applications. It failed to power the backend of a search engine (Wolfram Alpha), and based on my latest version of Mathematica, the dynamic computing features, visualization, and JIT compilation features still have a long way to go. It's an incredible and fascinating tool when you'r…
Also, social conventions are exactly that - conventions implicitly or explicitly chosen by a group of people. That group of people does not encompass the entire population of the planet. Hence, there is no reason to assume that your either your or Linus Torvalds' social conventions apply to anyone outside of you or him. I see no reason why he shouldn't name is work after himself. Is it bad marketing? I don't think so - Wolfram's name is a strong brand.