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Element 14 Holding Orders Based On US Government Watch List

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Re: Element 14 Holding Orders Based On US Government Watch List

#41

This is actually great news. It has been impossible to find out whether you are on the US watch list. Now you have to do is get an Australian with your name to order something from Element 14 and now you know.

The whole list is freely available right here http://www.treasury.gov/ofac/downloads/sdnlist.txt

There is no "JONES" on that list.

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#42

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Thank you. It's depressing how quick people can be to dismiss something as stupid without considering how those rules came about in the first place.

And so what? some guy stabs someone with a screwdriver and the US regulate the export of them between Commonwealth countries, still without regulating the AK-47 in its own country? There is more regulation on CNC machining center than on firearms. It's stupid. The US doesn't refrain from sending hellfires missiles on weddings, which kills more surely than the once in a lifetime freak who assemble some mildly radioact…

That's because an AK-47 is an AK-47: it's not a game-changer. But a CNC machining system that lets you build silent ship propellers can dramatically change the threats the world faces.

Re: Element 14 Holding Orders Based On US Government Watch List

#43
Damn, I'll have to eat my words...

In an earlier hn post, I actually suggested that if you use a name that's common enough, like David Fricken Jones, the US would never have the guts to flag it.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7240983

But here we are. David Jones... Not a lot of people affected by that, huh.

Re: Element 14 Holding Orders Based On US Government Watch List

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And so what? some guy stabs someone with a screwdriver and the US regulate the export of them between Commonwealth countries, still without regulating the AK-47 in its own country? There is more regulation on CNC machining center than on firearms. It's stupid. The US doesn't refrain from sending hellfires missiles on weddings, which kills more surely than the once in a lifetime freak who assemble some mildly radioact…

That's because an AK-47 is an AK-47: it's not a game-changer. But a CNC machining system that lets you build silent ship propellers can dramatically change the threats the world faces.

All the advances in CNC machining systems are published on the internet. And there is some degree of self replicating capability in them (basically you can machine the parts yourself, and fine-tune the design by hand to get a machine of better capability than the previous one).

Re: Element 14 Holding Orders Based On US Government Watch List

#46
The most impressive thing about this is that someone managed to successfully complete an order at Element14, where registration before ordering is compulsory (and can take up to a dozen attempts because the site throws random 500 errors almost everywhere), and where Visa cards are required to have start dates even though most of them don't, and where they don't answer your email telling them about the errors.

Re: Element 14 Holding Orders Based On US Government Watch List

#47

>>> (International customers have to fill out silly forms with US distributors and manufacturers saying we won’t use the parts in nuclear weapons – seriously) True. One of my first jobs was at a US electronics manufacturer / parts distributor. I remember we had to fill out paperwork for every export and all of our products (mainly smoke detectors) had to be classified as something to the effect of "parts that could b…

Dell once made me promise this before it would sell me a laptop bag.

Re: Element 14 Holding Orders Based On US Government Watch List

#48

This is actually great news. It has been impossible to find out whether you are on the US watch list. Now you have to do is get an Australian with your name to order something from Element 14 and now you know.

Next Airbnb right there.

Re: Element 14 Holding Orders Based On US Government Watch List

#49

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one guy, one time, managed to get his hands on enough smoke detectors to make himself glow in the dark.. yes, seems perfectly reasonable to freak out about.

I do not know what you are referencing, but in general radiation doesn't make you glow.

He's talking about the radioactive boy scout.

Also he was talking in hyperbole.

Re: Element 14 Holding Orders Based On US Government Watch List

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>>> (International customers have to fill out silly forms with US distributors and manufacturers saying we won’t use the parts in nuclear weapons – seriously) True. One of my first jobs was at a US electronics manufacturer / parts distributor. I remember we had to fill out paperwork for every export and all of our products (mainly smoke detectors) had to be classified as something to the effect of "parts that could b…

A lot of smoke detectors use the radioactive isotope americium-241 in an ionization process to detect smoke. Get enough smoke detectors, and you can have a good amount of radioactive material. Read up on David Hahn, who hit the news in '94 for trying to build a breeder reactor in his back yard using sources scavenged from among other things, smoke detectors.

A smoke detector contains about 0.25 μg of americium [0], which is painted on the inside of a chamber. In small quantities, it seems americium dioxide can only be dangerous if inhaled [0].

According to David Hahn's Wikipedia page[1], his reactor used thorium, purified from thorium ash used in lantern mantles, and not americium.

What's more, smoke detectors go straight to landfills in many places. I think it's unresonable to consider them a realistic threat.

[0] http://media.cns-snc.ca/pdf_doc/ecc/smoke_am241.pdf

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hahn#Creation_of_the_reac...

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