They just killed the internet.
Netflix Agrees to Pay Comcast to End Web Traffic Jam
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Re: Netflix Agrees to Pay Comcast to End Web Traffic Jam
#332Re: Netflix Agrees to Pay Comcast to End Web Traffic Jam
#333Earlier quoted context omitted.
If this is a problem, then build physical infrastructure so your business isn't dependent on someone else's pipes. If states and municipalities put up roadblocks to it, then let's focus on tearing down those roadblocks. I think it's ridiculous and self-serving for internet companies to complain about this. Getting bits to customers is a critical part of any online business. You can either do it yourself, or pay someo…
Will amazons' customers be okay if UPS charged an additional fee to amazon's customers to receive their packages?
This situation is more akin to Amazon building it's warehouse on UPS's land to get shipments out (for a fee of course). The prior situation would be if amazon shipped via US post to UPS, then UPS ships to destination. Ideally the fee to use UPS (Comcast) land would be less than the fee to ship the product via US post (cogent) to UPS. The reduction in transit time also factors in to the decision Netflix made.
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#334Earlier quoted context omitted.
For purposes of easy clicking, here's the same link without the space: http://www.google.com/#q=Netflix+Agrees+to+Pay+Comcast+to+En...
Since when is it /#q= instead of /?q=? This doesn't work for people with noscript I think.
The ?q= doesn't cause the referrer to get set properly.
Re: Netflix Agrees to Pay Comcast to End Web Traffic Jam
#335You guys need to understand that the slow streaming that netflix had problems with is actually netflix fault. They choose to use the cheapest peer possible(cogent). So them paying comcast to be a direct peer makes complete sense as comcast will not be sending 1/1000th of the traffic it is recieving on these peering connections.
This has nothing to do with you having to pay more to stream other services. It has to do with netflix finally deciding to stop placing blame and further their own product.
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#336What I don't understand is why Comcast refused to put NetFlix's CDN gear into their network/DC setup. That would solve the problem...
How would you feel about someone putting their equipment on your private network? What if the equipment they install is low quality? who gets the blame? Who is in charge of QOS?
It is not as simple as you think
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#337Earlier quoted context omitted.
Almost nowhere does Comcast actually have a monopoly on broadband.
A duopoly or oligopoly isn't much better. There's still a marked lack of choice for the customer, which results in lock-in and higher prices. The Hacker News readership includes many people capable of starting ISPs. Comcast's large profits, which have been used to fund a string of high cost acquisitions, are a juicy target for potential competitors. Yet you never see discussion of ISP startups on Hacker News because…
I actually knew a lot of small-mid sized ISPs that started off as BBSes... Have a T1 split for phone + data, with several phone lines, and a data pipe upstream. I used to subscribe to Boardwatch magazine as well.
That said, most were either bought out, or went under within a couple years. It was a rough time for commercial SysOps in the mid-90's... not that I really feel bad for them. Times and environments change... The BBS and art scenes are still around today, but not nearly what they were in the early-mid 90's...
I miss it a lot... since most BBSes were based in a local area, there were a lot of get togethers, and you'd meet and talk to people you wouldn't necessarily do in today's internet, which is based in interest groups.
Re: Netflix Agrees to Pay Comcast to End Web Traffic Jam
#338Earlier quoted context omitted.
A duopoly or oligopoly isn't much better. There's still a marked lack of choice for the customer, which results in lock-in and higher prices. The Hacker News readership includes many people capable of starting ISPs. Comcast's large profits, which have been used to fund a string of high cost acquisitions, are a juicy target for potential competitors. Yet you never see discussion of ISP startups on Hacker News because…
> This wasn't the case in the 90s, and had Hacker News existed back then ISP startups would have appeared frequently. Indeed. The late 90s / early 2000s were the golden age of the CLEC. There were certainly pain points (like getting copper pairs provisioned), but I remember not caring that my building didn't support Comcast Internet because I had an SDSL connection from Telocity and an ADSL connection from Speakeasy.
A friend of mine had a pretty nice BBS setup in the early-mid 90's... It took him a dozen requests and 2.5 years to get extra phone lines in. That was definitely a pain point.
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#339I want to see Comcast try to throttle Google, Facebook, et al. and see how it ends up in court.