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Re: Nokia announces the X and X+, its first Android phones

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Post by sp332 »

josefresco wrote: post #98
quanticle wrote: post #13

Ars Technica [1] put it best. These phones are dead on arrival. This is not the first time Nokia has done something like this. It released a Meego version of the N9, its long-in-development Symbian successor, before immediately abandoning the platform and switching to Windows Phone. This isn't a sign of some deep strategy. It's just standard Nokia platform craziness. 1: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/02/nokia-to…

So Nokia kills one platform/smartphone in the recent past and that means that this new line of phones is doomed? How are the two events linked? I don't see a connection. Products are born and killed everyday, just because company X has killed product Y in the past, doesn't mean that every future product will be killed in the same manor. Also, N9 was an internally developed OS that was late, and Nokia was suffering. A…

Microsoft is about to buy Nokia. No way they're going to continue development of an Android phone.

Re: Nokia announces the X and X+, its first Android phones

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Post by xamlhacker »

igravious wrote: post #5

So Microsoft has a Linux distro. Interesting. Anybody care to hazard a guess what the future holds? My take is that this was well in development before the MS/Nokia deal went through (it has gone through, hasn't it?) and Microsoft were not (have not been) able to get it canned. Or, shock, horror, maybe Microsoft are testing the waters - they already make a bunch from Linux patents, maybe they want to see how much the…

MS/Nokia deal hasn't gone through yet. Nokia handset divison is still part of Nokia and not part of MS yet. I believe they are waiting for approval from some governments such as China before they can complete the acquisition.

Re: Nokia announces the X and X+, its first Android phones

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Post by apetrovic »

DominikR wrote: post #57

How is that even possible, I thought Android is closed source. At least that's what Ars Technica has been telling us for the last months.

Actually, Nokia did exactly what Ars was telling for the last months - made a forked version of Android, without any Google services, like Amazon with Kindle.

Re: Nokia announces the X and X+, its first Android phones

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Post by mhaymo »

Oletros wrote: post #75
pritambaral wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source? EDIT: Wikipedia initially said 4.4.1

Someone has already changed it.

I'm still seeing it saying 4.4.1, with this as the source: http://www.nokiapoweruser.com/2014/01/08/nokia-normandy-show...

Re: Nokia announces the X and X+, its first Android phones

#105

Post by skyebook »

miguelrochefort wrote: post #99
Fuxy wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well the idea was good the implementation sucks as usual. Android without the play store is not as useful or flexible and you can't compete with other budget phones which do have the play store so you're shooting yourself in the foot. As log as there's an easy way for end users to put it on it shouldn't be such a big deal though. What I suspect they are attempting to do is get back into the low budget phone market wh…

You can already get a brand new and unlocked Windows Phone for less than $100. Microsoft is already winning the low-end battle.

When did "having a product available" become "winning the battle"?

Re: Nokia announces the X and X+, its first Android phones

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Post by rbanffy »

air wrote: post #91
rbanffy wrote: post #90

I imagine this decision made through both Microsoft's and Nokia's legal departments, but I can't really stop wondering what the implications of Microsoft distributing GPLv2 (with implicit patent licenses) and Apache (with explicit ones) has on their patent extortion licensing business can be. This could end up being much larger than just a couple phones.

I don't think it has to go through MS legal yet. Nokia has to legally act as if the merge does not go through. If/when Microsoft will sell this phone, it will probably be through a subsidiary, just like it does currently all open source contributions through https://msopentech.com , to avoid respecting the patent licenses.

I would imagine a judge would not be kind to this type of subterfuge once litigation started. It's completely obvious they are not distinct entities.

Re: Nokia announces the X and X+, its first Android phones

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Post by Nilzor »

sp332 wrote: post #101
josefresco wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So Nokia kills one platform/smartphone in the recent past and that means that this new line of phones is doomed? How are the two events linked? I don't see a connection. Products are born and killed everyday, just because company X has killed product Y in the past, doesn't mean that every future product will be killed in the same manor. Also, N9 was an internally developed OS that was late, and Nokia was suffering. A…

Microsoft is about to buy Nokia. No way they're going to continue development of an Android phone.

huh? they already own Nokia

Re: Nokia announces the X and X+, its first Android phones

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Post by brudgers »

The analogy I see is to Unix. A worthwhile strategy for some larger companies is to build their own flavor on top of a greybox platform. This is what Amazon has done. Their Android flavor is seasoned to move Amazon goods and services. A Nokia Android flavor can be tailored to move Nokia goods and services, just as Google's Android flavor is all about Google's business plan.

The advantage that Nokia has is a fundamental B2B ethos. It is a commonality with Microsoft. Their chief rivals, Google and Apple don't have a partnering mindset. Nokia gets Skype and Office. They have a long history of maps.

This makes sense. In the long term going with an Android fork has nothing but upside for a company with Nokia's chops and culture.

Re: Nokia announces the X and X+, its first Android phones

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Post by easy_rider »

sp332 wrote: post #101
josefresco wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So Nokia kills one platform/smartphone in the recent past and that means that this new line of phones is doomed? How are the two events linked? I don't see a connection. Products are born and killed everyday, just because company X has killed product Y in the past, doesn't mean that every future product will be killed in the same manor. Also, N9 was an internally developed OS that was late, and Nokia was suffering. A…

Microsoft is about to buy Nokia. No way they're going to continue development of an Android phone.

http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/12/5404098/microsoft-consider...

Re: Nokia announces the X and X+, its first Android phones

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Post by glasz »

i can't express how i hate the nokia-microsoft-conglomerate for... this... "strategy".

it appears they don't even have what could be called strategy. for years now, they've been fucking around, burning money and talent like crazy.

the only thing nokia-microsoft should do is leverage windows phone's potential. and there's so much of it. (i'm saying this as an apple user). all the money for all this bullshit they are doing/have done could have been well invested in fleshing out their ecosystem (and i don't mean "pay developers for ports"). e.g they do have so bloody many customers who'd love mobile devices with the ms office suite. there, right there is you focus point. but no, they delay their mobile office because of internal fist fights. useless bastards management.

for god's sake, these things make me want to storm into board meetings, jump on the table and just scream at their stupidity and kicking heads off shoulders like bruce lee.

man...

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