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Re: Nokia announces the X and X+, its first Android phones

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Post by air »

rbanffy wrote: post #90

I imagine this decision made through both Microsoft's and Nokia's legal departments, but I can't really stop wondering what the implications of Microsoft distributing GPLv2 (with implicit patent licenses) and Apache (with explicit ones) has on their patent extortion licensing business can be. This could end up being much larger than just a couple phones.

I don't think it has to go through MS legal yet. Nokia has to legally act as if the merge does not go through. If/when Microsoft will sell this phone, it will probably be through a subsidiary, just like it does currently all open source contributions through https://msopentech.com , to avoid respecting the patent licenses.

Re: Nokia announces the X and X+, its first Android phones

#92

Post by Geee »

bbx wrote: post #62

I remember when Nokia phones were crushing their opponents in terms of user experience, despite the incredible amount of devices they offered. The one-in-all blue button was remarkable. There were no OS, just different brands. Nokia failed to make the leap to smartphones though. I still believe they were the only company capable of competing with the iPhone by delivering a hardware/software combo, but sadly failed to…

They eventually and actually did deliver with the N9, in terms of a comparable product. Let's see if Jolla can move that legacy forward.

Re: Nokia announces the X and X+, its first Android phones

#93

Post by vetinari »

graetzer wrote: post #59
sprash wrote: post #50

If Microsoft ever does applications for Linux it means I've won. -- Linus Torvalds

Microsoft is a kernel contributor, and Android isn't really linux http://go.linuxfoundation.org/who-writes-linux-2012

Android is Linux. It is not GNU/Linux.

Do you see RMS's point now?

Re: Nokia announces the X and X+, its first Android phones

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

antimagic wrote: post #36
quanticle wrote: post #13

Ars Technica [1] put it best. These phones are dead on arrival. This is not the first time Nokia has done something like this. It released a Meego version of the N9, its long-in-development Symbian successor, before immediately abandoning the platform and switching to Windows Phone. This isn't a sign of some deep strategy. It's just standard Nokia platform craziness. 1: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/02/nokia-to…

I wouldn't be so quick to discount this move. It could be a classic Microsoft embrace/extend/extinguish move. They lost the first round on mobile phone platforms, but this would allow them to very quickly create a platform that has developer support - after all, porting your apps from standard Android to an AOSP fork is easier than than porting it to Windows Phone. Especially as Microsoft/Nokia is pretty much the onl…

> I wouldn't be so quick to discount this move. It could be a classic Microsoft embrace/extend/extinguish move.

Except, unless I'm mistaken, MS doesn't actually own Nokia yet.

"On 2 September 2013, Microsoft announced its intent to purchase Nokia's mobile phone business unit" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia

Re: Nokia announces the X and X+, its first Android phones

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Post by wslh »

I think the proper way to do this is to run Windows Mobile side by side with Android. Since Android is open source it's easy to do that for companies like Microsoft. You can virtualize one OS or find another way to integrate them.

Another route is dual booting but I think it does more harm than good.

Re: Nokia announces the X and X+, its first Android phones

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Post by ent »

knocte wrote: post #74
eq- wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not like it runs Linux now, is it? ;)

Linux is a kernel. Android uses the Linux kernel. WTF are you talking about?

The grandparents post was probably a play on the old "But does it run linux" meme from slashdot.

Re: Nokia announces the X and X+, its first Android phones

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Post by miguelrochefort »

antimagic wrote: post #36
quanticle wrote: post #13

Ars Technica [1] put it best. These phones are dead on arrival. This is not the first time Nokia has done something like this. It released a Meego version of the N9, its long-in-development Symbian successor, before immediately abandoning the platform and switching to Windows Phone. This isn't a sign of some deep strategy. It's just standard Nokia platform craziness. 1: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/02/nokia-to…

I wouldn't be so quick to discount this move. It could be a classic Microsoft embrace/extend/extinguish move. They lost the first round on mobile phone platforms, but this would allow them to very quickly create a platform that has developer support - after all, porting your apps from standard Android to an AOSP fork is easier than than porting it to Windows Phone. Especially as Microsoft/Nokia is pretty much the onl…

> ... which would solve the app problem for the otherwise fantastic Nokia hardware ...

The number of app on Windows Phone is no longer a problem. There are more than 240,000 Windows Phone apps as we speak.

Re: Nokia announces the X and X+, its first Android phones

#98

Post by josefresco »

quanticle wrote: post #13

Ars Technica [1] put it best. These phones are dead on arrival. This is not the first time Nokia has done something like this. It released a Meego version of the N9, its long-in-development Symbian successor, before immediately abandoning the platform and switching to Windows Phone. This isn't a sign of some deep strategy. It's just standard Nokia platform craziness. 1: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/02/nokia-to…

So Nokia kills one platform/smartphone in the recent past and that means that this new line of phones is doomed? How are the two events linked? I don't see a connection. Products are born and killed everyday, just because company X has killed product Y in the past, doesn't mean that every future product will be killed in the same manor.

Also, N9 was an internally developed OS that was late, and Nokia was suffering. Axing something that is eating massive resources for an external vendor isn't in any way similar to Nokia introducing a low-cost alternative to their existing high end offerings.

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Post by miguelrochefort »

Fuxy wrote: post #26
quanticle wrote: post #13

Ars Technica [1] put it best. These phones are dead on arrival. This is not the first time Nokia has done something like this. It released a Meego version of the N9, its long-in-development Symbian successor, before immediately abandoning the platform and switching to Windows Phone. This isn't a sign of some deep strategy. It's just standard Nokia platform craziness. 1: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/02/nokia-to…

Well the idea was good the implementation sucks as usual. Android without the play store is not as useful or flexible and you can't compete with other budget phones which do have the play store so you're shooting yourself in the foot. As log as there's an easy way for end users to put it on it shouldn't be such a big deal though. What I suspect they are attempting to do is get back into the low budget phone market wh…

You can already get a brand new and unlocked Windows Phone for less than $100. Microsoft is already winning the low-end battle.

Re: Nokia announces the X and X+, its first Android phones

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Post by miguelrochefort »

bbx wrote: post #62

I remember when Nokia phones were crushing their opponents in terms of user experience, despite the incredible amount of devices they offered. The one-in-all blue button was remarkable. There were no OS, just different brands. Nokia failed to make the leap to smartphones though. I still believe they were the only company capable of competing with the iPhone by delivering a hardware/software combo, but sadly failed to…

Have you not seen the high-end Nokia Lumias?
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