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Nokia announces the X and X+, its first Android phones

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Re: Nokia announces the X and X+, its first Android phones

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Post by blueskin_ »

d0 wrote: post #15
igravious wrote: post #5

So Microsoft has a Linux distro. Interesting. Anybody care to hazard a guess what the future holds? My take is that this was well in development before the MS/Nokia deal went through (it has gone through, hasn't it?) and Microsoft were not (have not been) able to get it canned. Or, shock, horror, maybe Microsoft are testing the waters - they already make a bunch from Linux patents, maybe they want to see how much the…

Microsoft (and their staff individually) actually contribute to the Linux kernel so this isn't that crazy. You can already get office 365 for iOS. Not sure about android but it's logical. This appears to be the budget/developing world side of things. I'd prefer to see WinPhone on low end devices to be honest - it's really good even on low spec handsets. I see this as that much marketed "devices and services offering"…

Nobody I know uses Microsoft's lockin. Some prefer google's or apple's, but increasing numbers are trying to escape from being a data source for advertising and the NSA and ditching google, apple, and MS.

Re: Nokia announces the X and X+, its first Android phones

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Post by ygra »

blueskin_ wrote: post #30
igravious wrote: post #5

So Microsoft has a Linux distro. Interesting. Anybody care to hazard a guess what the future holds? My take is that this was well in development before the MS/Nokia deal went through (it has gone through, hasn't it?) and Microsoft were not (have not been) able to get it canned. Or, shock, horror, maybe Microsoft are testing the waters - they already make a bunch from Linux patents, maybe they want to see how much the…

>they already make a bunch from Linux patents I'm interested in how they apparently do this - especially as the Linux development process is open and MS' is secret. As it was, if they decided to try patent trolling, chances are they'd get crushed by google, Red Hat, even Oracle...

As far as I know they get licensing payments for use of the FAT file system. Since they do own patents for that and Android handset manufacturers can't exactly tell users to use ext\d on SD cards there are licensing contracts in place.

Re: Nokia announces the X and X+, its first Android phones

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Post by raveli »

Divide and conquer.

By making any success with its Android phones, Microsoft can achieve two goals:

- further fragment the Android platform making it more difficult for users to buy devices and for developers to support the various devices and

- benefit from Android's strong market position instead of only trying to create market for Windows phones in places where it doesn't fit

They've identified the greatest flaw in Android ecosystem and they're exploiting it in an attempt to make their own offering more attractive in the long run.

Re: Nokia announces the X and X+, its first Android phones

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Post by jigneshlg »

From business point of view i am bit curious to know why microsoft is started using Android OS?

Android owned by Google and the biggest competitor of Microsoft. Despite of having nice operating system like Windows mobile, they are trying Android ! This gives good sign of co-operation between giants.

Share your thoughts !

Re: Nokia announces the X and X+, its first Android phones

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Post by antimagic »

quanticle wrote: post #13

Ars Technica [1] put it best. These phones are dead on arrival. This is not the first time Nokia has done something like this. It released a Meego version of the N9, its long-in-development Symbian successor, before immediately abandoning the platform and switching to Windows Phone. This isn't a sign of some deep strategy. It's just standard Nokia platform craziness. 1: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/02/nokia-to…

I wouldn't be so quick to discount this move. It could be a classic Microsoft embrace/extend/extinguish move. They lost the first round on mobile phone platforms, but this would allow them to very quickly create a platform that has developer support - after all, porting your apps from standard Android to an AOSP fork is easier than than porting it to Windows Phone. Especially as Microsoft/Nokia is pretty much the only organisation on the planet at the moment apart from Google and Apple that is capable of offering all of the same services that stock Android provides, making porting even easier for app developers.

The latest Android look and feel is not so different from Windows Phone either, once you actually get into the app. You could imagine a "Windows Phone" homescreen skin with Android Apps behind it, and it would be really quite a decent merger of the two environments, graphically speaking.

If they throw a bit of money around to encourage developers to undertake the (hopefully) relatively simple task of porting from stock Android, it's not impossible that they manage to get a pretty decent App Store together, which would solve the app problem for the otherwise fantastic Nokia hardware that they have been making these last few years.

Anyway, there's a lot of conditionals in the stuff that I've just written, none of it may come to pass, I'm just saying that it would be unwise to dismiss this effort without at least waiting a bit to see how it pans out.

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Post by css771 »

antimagic wrote: post #36
quanticle wrote: post #13

Ars Technica [1] put it best. These phones are dead on arrival. This is not the first time Nokia has done something like this. It released a Meego version of the N9, its long-in-development Symbian successor, before immediately abandoning the platform and switching to Windows Phone. This isn't a sign of some deep strategy. It's just standard Nokia platform craziness. 1: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/02/nokia-to…

I wouldn't be so quick to discount this move. It could be a classic Microsoft embrace/extend/extinguish move. They lost the first round on mobile phone platforms, but this would allow them to very quickly create a platform that has developer support - after all, porting your apps from standard Android to an AOSP fork is easier than than porting it to Windows Phone. Especially as Microsoft/Nokia is pretty much the onl…

Nokia is actually discouraging devs from using Windows Phone design patterns and encouraging Android design guidelines on the Nokia X.

http://developer.nokia.com/resources/library/nokia-x-ui/ux-c...

Re: Nokia announces the X and X+, its first Android phones

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Post by bskap »

jigneshlg wrote: post #35

From business point of view i am bit curious to know why microsoft is started using Android OS? Android owned by Google and the biggest competitor of Microsoft. Despite of having nice operating system like Windows mobile, they are trying Android ! This gives good sign of co-operation between giants. Share your thoughts !

The Nokia/Microsoft deal hasn't completely gone through yet. Until it does, Microsoft is not legally allowed to have any say in Nokia's product decisions

Re: Nokia announces the X and X+, its first Android phones

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Post by jmspring »

css771 wrote: post #37
antimagic wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't be so quick to discount this move. It could be a classic Microsoft embrace/extend/extinguish move. They lost the first round on mobile phone platforms, but this would allow them to very quickly create a platform that has developer support - after all, porting your apps from standard Android to an AOSP fork is easier than than porting it to Windows Phone. Especially as Microsoft/Nokia is pretty much the onl…

Nokia is actually discouraging devs from using Windows Phone design patterns and encouraging Android design guidelines on the Nokia X. http://developer.nokia.com/resources/library/nokia-x-ui/ux-c...

Design patterns for one platform make sense that they are downplayed where they don't fit.

Me ego was downplayed as WP came along, part of the game.

That said, this seems like an evolution of the saga low end line rather than the high end devices... Simply look at the cameras.

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