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Nokia announces the X and X+, its first Android phones

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Re: Nokia announces the X and X+, its first Android phones

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This is the most confused device ever. A bastard child of Android and Windows: basterdised verion of Windows Phone UI on top of a forked Android that's integrated with Microsoft Cloud. The marketing has a distinct "feature phone" feel. Seriously, Asha or X device from Nokia with Firefox OS would make more sense than this. How many OSs does Nokia have now? 4 or 5?

I don't think they plan making any new S40 phones, so that would make it two OSes.

Re: Nokia announces the X and X+, its first Android phones

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Ars Technica [1] put it best. These phones are dead on arrival.

    This is not the first time Nokia has done something like this. It released a 
    Meego version of the N9, its long-in-development Symbian successor, before 
    immediately abandoning the platform and switching to Windows Phone.
This isn't a sign of some deep strategy. It's just standard Nokia platform craziness.

1: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/02/nokia-to-release-an-a...

Re: Nokia announces the X and X+, its first Android phones

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So Microsoft has a Linux distro. Interesting. Anybody care to hazard a guess what the future holds? My take is that this was well in development before the MS/Nokia deal went through (it has gone through, hasn't it?) and Microsoft were not (have not been) able to get it canned. Or, shock, horror, maybe Microsoft are testing the waters - they already make a bunch from Linux patents, maybe they want to see how much the…

Microsoft (and their staff individually) actually contribute to the Linux kernel so this isn't that crazy.

You can already get office 365 for iOS. Not sure about android but it's logical.

This appears to be the budget/developing world side of things. I'd prefer to see WinPhone on low end devices to be honest - it's really good even on low spec handsets.

I see this as that much marketed "devices and services offering" they are always going on about. They're making a killing from Azure etc and Windows Live/outlook.com is the most mature and featureful cloud thing. They're actually shit hot these days.

I still prefer my old fashioned Unix way of life though as I don't want to become a paid up ecosystem slave.

Re: Nokia announces the X and X+, its first Android phones

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Ars Technica [1] put it best. These phones are dead on arrival. This is not the first time Nokia has done something like this. It released a Meego version of the N9, its long-in-development Symbian successor, before immediately abandoning the platform and switching to Windows Phone. This isn't a sign of some deep strategy. It's just standard Nokia platform craziness. 1: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/02/nokia-to…

MeeGo was a) successor of Maemo on N900 (and other devices) and b) abandoned, because "burning bridges".

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post #11
post #9

This is the most confused device ever. A bastard child of Android and Windows: basterdised verion of Windows Phone UI on top of a forked Android that's integrated with Microsoft Cloud. The marketing has a distinct "feature phone" feel. Seriously, Asha or X device from Nokia with Firefox OS would make more sense than this. How many OSs does Nokia have now? 4 or 5?

I don't think they plan making any new S40 phones, so that would make it two OSes.

I counted four. Feature phone OS (ODM), Asha, Windows Phone and Nokia X Platform as they are calling it.

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So Microsoft has a Linux distro. Interesting. Anybody care to hazard a guess what the future holds? My take is that this was well in development before the MS/Nokia deal went through (it has gone through, hasn't it?) and Microsoft were not (have not been) able to get it canned. Or, shock, horror, maybe Microsoft are testing the waters - they already make a bunch from Linux patents, maybe they want to see how much the…

How will Microsoft not be able to develop Mobile Office for Android?

By most reporting[1], the office team has already had versions of office for iOS (and presumably Android) ready for quite some time. Their lack of release has been an internal political battle at Microsoft based on whether to postpone them until after the equivalent office apps are ready for RT. This is one of the biggest examples of decision making that people have been criticizing Microsoft for (handicapping their non-Windows business units to provide Windows a competitive advantage; which is a sensible strategy, but that seems ill-suited longterm, as those other business units like Office now eclipse Windows in revenue).

It's entirely possible that part of Nokia releasing this phone is related to that recent shift in strategy.

How are Microsoft going to be able to maintain two mobile OSs?

Nokia already has experience in managing operating systems. I don't know how much work "porting" over all the Nokia apps was to Android, but it seems like they've done it. They already went through the experience of porting many of them over from Symbian (and alas, Maemo didn't really have much in the way of Nokia apps). I don't think this is a serious issue for their engineering organization (even aside from Microsoft's much larger engineering organization that presumably could be made available).

Are Nokia going to see this through? I think it is a smart play, if they go after it whole-heartedly like Amazon and provide a decent amount of differentiation. One could easily see Samsung going this route.

I think this is a logical play from a risk perspective. The low-end is currently where all their sales are (as the mid and high end have dried up faster than their increasing Windows Phone sales have grown); and even though the low-end isn't the desirable part of the market (see every phone manufacturer other than Apple and Samsung as examples), the effort required isn't much greater than they're already doing for the Asha lines.

I think they'll have a better chance at building an ecosystem that's piggy-backed off of Android than in building their own. I still don't know that this is a great long-term play, but it could be.

Samsung has been alleged to be heading in this direction for ages (first reported as the reasons for them releasing Bada, and later, Tizen). The new Gear 2 watch-thing runs Tizen instead of Android (which considering it's not really a stand-alone device, is probably a good place to test the waters).

It seems like the issue with Samsung taking the plunge is how much they attribute their recent success to their own products, vs. the Google ecosystem. Once they cross that threshold, they'll ship their own OS with TouchWiz on top of it. Maybe they'll similarly have an environment that can run Android apps (it's all Linux underneath).

[1] http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-office-on-ipad-its-alive-and-...

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