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Re: Unix koans

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seriously. appropriating buddhism / zen (or any culture) just to look cool and wise is so condemnable to me. i really dislike the fetishized, orientalist view of eastern religions i often see in the hacker community. ESR is full of himself to begin with, but for him to be writing koans is so arrogant. these have nothing to do with actual zen koans anyway, they're just programming lessons obfuscated by self-indulgent…

What's so terrible about it? Why should buddhism or zen be exempt from the sort of emulation, attempts at understanding, fun-making, and mixes of all three that we apply to essentially everything else? I mean, these particular writings are terrible, but that's because of how they're written, not what they're attempting to do.

i don't think it should be exempt from those things. on the contrary i thought he was missing the "attempts at understanding". koans aren't riddles or parables, they're not to be figured out - i dont think you can draw a meaningful parallel with them and computer programming problems, which require critical thinking and problem solving. (sidenote: i think making fun of cultures that aren't your own is always disrespectful...)

Re: Unix koans

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Some people seem to forget why we still use cli, from discourses on the graphical user interface, they think that it's not 'modern'...

I've been using the CLI more lately, but I do something new only after having looked it up with my GUI web browser first... (yes, I know, RTFM and all that)

Touché: discoverability.

Re: Unix koans

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There are no answers to questions outside of a framework like a culture (that is, outside of desired goals and accepted means to get to them). Historically, most civilizations, including western thought, have found that syncretism is bad. It results in a shallow understanding of what it is dealing with and a hodgepodge of incompatible ideas. Budhism (and lots of other things) was evolved and developed to be seen as a…

> Budhism (and lots of other things) was evolved and developed to be seen as a whole and in a few specific contexts. Wha? Buddhism has a long history of evolving and mixing with local cultures, just like any religion. The zen stuff that these "koans" are either imitating or satirizing (depending on your view) comes from mixing Buddhism and Confucianism and Taoism and who knows what else.

The "mixing with local cultures" is a process that took centuries, and in cultures already connected to similar tenets and beliefs.

It was not a case of "I saw a documentary/bought a manual on budhism, I am so zen now" while shopping stuff from Whole Foods.

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