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Re: First programming job – a 4 month reflection

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Dumping PHP to use JavaScript instead? That's like moving from terrible to terrible ...

No, JavaScript is a great language if you just use the good parts[1]. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQVTIJBZook

That's exactly what defenders of PHP say, too.

Can we just stop pretending that a language cobbled together in 10 days has good parts except by chance?

Re: First programming job – a 4 month reflection

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No, JavaScript is a great language if you just use the good parts[1]. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQVTIJBZook

That's exactly what defenders of PHP say, too. Can we just stop pretending that a language cobbled together in 10 days has good parts except by chance?

If you strip out the good parts of PHP, you're not left with a good language. With JavaScript you do. That's why modern languages are copying JavaScript's killer features, like anonymous functions and closures.

In addition, the language wasn't developed in 10 days. It's first design was. And it borrowed from earlier languages.

Re: First programming job – a 4 month reflection

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Sorry if I am a bit late to the party. I am a student right now and this is one of the issues that's freaking me out about working in the industry. I'm genuinely scared my code is not up to par, have no ideas what security issues I should take care of to start with and also how the hell am I supposed to cover all test cases with TDD? I am alright with following design patterns and ensuring clean documented code but am always under the impression I can do better. If anyone has any insights, would be really grateful, especially when it somes to security.

Re: First programming job – a 4 month reflection

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It's always sunny outside - a 1 minute reflection

Seriously though how can you start generalizing / assuming about working as a professional programmer when you're not even 1 year into your first job?

Try your best to change things, but don't try your best for too long till you burn out and are miserable. Some programming jobs are there just to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Re: First programming job – a 4 month reflection

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It's always sunny outside - a 1 minute reflection Seriously though how can you start generalizing / assuming about working as a professional programmer when you're not even 1 year into your first job? Try your best to change things, but don't try your best for too long till you burn out and are miserable. Some programming jobs are there just to separate the wheat from the chaff.

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Re: First programming job – a 4 month reflection

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While I dislike programming in PHP (the syntax is ugly mostly), and I like Python and JS, I don't think getting away from PHP is a solution and the solution. PHP is not the problem in this situation. It's the people who is working there with OP.

I like to think that's what lalc was implying. With a language comes community, and PHP's community is unfortunately laden with baggage.

Okay. That's a fair point. Maybe it is right that people have to leave their territory once and feel the difference in another community.

Re: First programming job – a 4 month reflection

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That's exactly what defenders of PHP say, too. Can we just stop pretending that a language cobbled together in 10 days has good parts except by chance?

If you strip out the good parts of PHP, you're not left with a good language. With JavaScript you do. That's why modern languages are copying JavaScript's killer features, like anonymous functions and closures. In addition, the language wasn't developed in 10 days. It's first design was. And it borrowed from earlier languages.

> That's why modern languages are copying JavaScript's killer features, like anonymous functions and closures.

LOOOL. You're joking, right? On which planet do you live?

Re: First programming job – a 4 month reflection

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This kind of stuff makes me feel...I'm not even sure how to qualify it. I feel like a lot of places that hire set these great and tall expectations that always make me second guess myself. Do I have the skills and know-how to do this?

How was your interview process in comparison to the quality of people you're working with now?

Re: First programming job – a 4 month reflection

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If you strip out the good parts of PHP, you're not left with a good language. With JavaScript you do. That's why modern languages are copying JavaScript's killer features, like anonymous functions and closures. In addition, the language wasn't developed in 10 days. It's first design was. And it borrowed from earlier languages.

> That's why modern languages are copying JavaScript's killer features, like anonymous functions and closures. LOOOL. You're joking, right? On which planet do you live?

I'm not joking. I'm living in Earth.
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