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My children’s book on technology raised 100k within 24 hours – here’s how

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Post by detay »

selmnoo wrote: post #108
MartinCron wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think that is flirtatious and sexualized, you have some serious issues. That video is whimsical and a bit over-produced, but it evokes play, not foreplay. Does someone need to be in a burqa and talk in a monotone to keep the creeps from being creepy? How narrow a range of expression do you want for women before you start to make their objectification their fault?

Thought experiment: you see a man, same age as Linda, doing all the things Linda is doing (squinting eyes, and then abruptly opening them and doing an affected laugh, fixing clothes, fixing cute socks, sitting on a sofa with legs bent and shoes sitting alongside, jumping up and down on the couch, etc.), what do you think of him? If you're not picking up on the flirtatious undertones, if you have no problem with that…

Can't agree more. If people can't see what you're talking about, they're probably vulnerable to it. They're buying what that manipulative effort sells.

I totally find her gestures and the shots pretentious. I believe that's a part of her sales pitch but it didn't have to be, because the book idea is already good enough to sell.

Re: My children’s book on technology raised 100k within 24 hours – here’s how

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Post by jacalata »

hashberry wrote: post #85
goldenkey wrote: post #18

I'm pretty sure the only reason this is getting so much funding is because the majority of computer science folk are horny men who are glossing over the dreamhouse attire / makeup / presentation put on in the video. "Hi I'm little Ruby and I wear polka-dots and pink lipstick, let me be your fantasy" That said, I did fund it, because I'm a horny coder and Linda is very sexy.

The presentation and video was amazing. I immediately fell in love with her. She smiles non-stop. She jumps around with giddy excitement in a cute little dress. She's the perfect manic pixie dream girl trope. I want her to have all my babies.

What made you think that was worth sharing?

Re: My children’s book on technology raised 100k within 24 hours – here’s how

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Post by MartinCron »

selmnoo wrote: post #108
MartinCron wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think that is flirtatious and sexualized, you have some serious issues. That video is whimsical and a bit over-produced, but it evokes play, not foreplay. Does someone need to be in a burqa and talk in a monotone to keep the creeps from being creepy? How narrow a range of expression do you want for women before you start to make their objectification their fault?

Thought experiment: you see a man, same age as Linda, doing all the things Linda is doing (squinting eyes, and then abruptly opening them and doing an affected laugh, fixing clothes, fixing cute socks, sitting on a sofa with legs bent and shoes sitting alongside, jumping up and down on the couch, etc.), what do you think of him? If you're not picking up on the flirtatious undertones, if you have no problem with that…

You are literally saying that you need to behave like a man to be taken seriously. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Re: My children’s book on technology raised 100k within 24 hours – here’s how

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Post by selmnoo »

MartinCron wrote: post #113
selmnoo wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thought experiment: you see a man, same age as Linda, doing all the things Linda is doing (squinting eyes, and then abruptly opening them and doing an affected laugh, fixing clothes, fixing cute socks, sitting on a sofa with legs bent and shoes sitting alongside, jumping up and down on the couch, etc.), what do you think of him? If you're not picking up on the flirtatious undertones, if you have no problem with that…

You are literally saying that you need to behave like a man to be taken seriously. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Yes, that is precisely and literally what I am saying. I'm saying that if women wish to be taken seriously they need to behave like men.

Thank you for this very constructive dialogue, I have developed so much insight in this exchange. You've clearly gone to great lengths to communicate thoughtfully and understand the true matter in this situation. Thank you.

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Post by king_jester »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #104
Pxtl wrote: post #72

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> whimsical and youthful Hah, yes. Honestly, if that woman's behavior is "sexual and flirtatious" then my son's kindergarten teacher is hitting on him (she puts on the same act around her students). Yes, the video was as much about selling Liukas as a character and internet-celebrity as it was about selling her book. That's how marketing works. But anybody who sees it as "sexual" watches too much of the wrong kind of…

When that same kindergarten teacher behaves towards one of the male parents as to an infant then it's flirtatious. Certainly in Western society much behaviour which is considered fine with a child is inappropriate with an adult, and vice-versa of course. If I bounce my friend's daughter on my knee and chat to her it's fine - if I bounce my (married) friend on my knee then it would be considered highly inappropriate i…

> When that same kindergarten teacher behaves towards one of the male parents as to an infant then it's flirtatious.

The kickstarter video is not directed towards men specifically. A lot of posters seem to see it that the default audience is men and therefore her behavior is somehow flirting. Of course, the audience for kickstarter includes all type of people, including younger children.

Re: My children’s book on technology raised 100k within 24 hours – here’s how

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Post by king_jester »

sitkack wrote: post #73
king_jester wrote: post #70

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> The video was extremely flirtatious. No it wasn't. It is whimsical and youthful, which fits with the theme of making a book for children. Attributing that personality type with flirtation is disturbing and misogynistic. > It had the same sexualized energy of a Disney movie about Tank Girl starring Bjork with the sound track by Blonde Redhead. Projecting much? > It was way to over the top. I find your sexist crap ov…

Hyperbole not projecting. This video was a toned down version of SBV with a grown woman acting childish and coy, my hyperbolic statement tapped into other performers who utilize the same mechanic. It is not whimsical and youthful, it is offensive. She was selling herself rather than her art. I don't need to look at her knitted socks, watch her fluff her hair or jump on the damn couch. It is manipulative. Recognizing…

> She was selling herself rather than her art. I don't need to look at her knitted socks, watch her fluff her hair or jump on the damn couch. It is manipulative. Recognizing that manipulation is not sexist, on the contrary.

Not only are you blaming the creator for your own sexualized interpretation of the kickstarter vid, but you claim that non-sexual behaviors are evidence of sexualized flirting.

> This video would have been way more mature if it showed children engaging with the content, rather than an artful selfie. We need to see how she explains ideas that lead children to a scientific mind.

Now you are considering her behavior in a video targeted towards parents and children to be inappropriate based on your highly inappropriate sexualization of normal behavior. The video aims to be fun, visual, and cutesy, not a come on for dudes.

Re: My children’s book on technology raised 100k within 24 hours – here’s how

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Post by king_jester »

detay wrote: post #111
selmnoo wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thought experiment: you see a man, same age as Linda, doing all the things Linda is doing (squinting eyes, and then abruptly opening them and doing an affected laugh, fixing clothes, fixing cute socks, sitting on a sofa with legs bent and shoes sitting alongside, jumping up and down on the couch, etc.), what do you think of him? If you're not picking up on the flirtatious undertones, if you have no problem with that…

Can't agree more. If people can't see what you're talking about, they're probably vulnerable to it. They're buying what that manipulative effort sells. I totally find her gestures and the shots pretentious. I believe that's a part of her sales pitch but it didn't have to be, because the book idea is already good enough to sell.

Finding this video pretentious is one thing, but being upset at the video because you have converted a person into a sex object based on really sexist notions about play and child-like behaviors is a red flag. We have seem multiple commenter take that point of view on the video.

Re: My children’s book on technology raised 100k within 24 hours – here’s how

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Post by zurn »

balls187 wrote: post #96

Cool idea. My only gripe was after she said she was from Finland, she mentioned Scandinavian summers, when Finland isn't a Scandinavian country. Nordic, yes. Scandinavian, no. Minor quibble for sure.

In common language Scandinavia is frequently used synonymously with the Nordic countries. WP backs that up too.
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