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Post by pedrosorio »

moultano wrote: post #334
rapind wrote: post #329

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Well the fact that google is tracking our keystrokes in their search box came as a surprise to me. So the original comment was definitely informative and useful to me (and actionable). It's kind of sneaky no? I'm not making a political statement, I'm just genuinely creeped out a bit at the idea. Stupid that I didn't see this I should add. Considering I'm a programmer who knows how to do that with javascript, but for…

How did you think Google Instant works? http://www.google.com/insidesearch/features/instant/about.ht...

There's need to store every single keystroke to implement Google Instant.

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Post by Silhouette »

moultano wrote: post #336
Silhouette wrote: post #275

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Please reread my penultimate paragraph. That is nothing hypothetical about any of those scenarios, and they have resulted in widespread complaints when discovered.

You described rules being violated or systems performing poorly. You didn't describe people being harmed.

You don't consider it harmful if someone is paying more for (or being effectively denied) insurance, being turned down for a mortgage, not getting a job, or being sent legal threats because they refused to pay a fine for a driving offence they never committed? You and I have very different ideas of what harm is, then.

Of course, in reality it's often difficult to prove that a specific outcome was the result of a privacy invasion. It's not like insurers or employers are going to document that they discriminated unfairly, whether illegally or otherwise, in making their decisions. But we know all the things I mentioned can happen, partly because too many times there have been cases where real evidence was seen, and partly because in some cases incentives are aligned with poor behaviour and it's just plain naive to think it won't then happen if there's nothing to balance those incentives.

Privacy is important because it removes the ability to make those unfair decisions in the first place.

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Post by ylou »

wutbrodo wrote: post #276
SiVal wrote: post #270

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Just in case you're not joking: Yes, of course they have access to my data, and unless I delete all Google cookies, sign out from all Google services (gmail, youtube, etc.) and possibly reboot my browser before making a Google query, they add every keystroke of that query to everything they've read in my email, every youtube video I've watched, my contacts and my contacts' contacts (pointing back at me), driving endp…

I think you're misunderstanding what he means. He's saying that Google employees don't have access to that kind of information (due to access controls, logging of access, etc), likely in response to your "would you be uncomfortable with your friends collecting arbitrary amounts of data from you" question. I'm not saying that his comment was a sound rebuttal to yours or anything; just noting that he was talking in the…

Yes. User data, especially PII data, is very closely watched. If I tried to access something that I shouldn't (assuming that I managed to get the right permissions first), I have no doubt that I'd be fired by the end of the week.

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Post by iancarroll »

72deluxe wrote: post #325
martythemaniak wrote: post #204

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Thanks to both of you, I hope you find it useful and let me know if you run into issues. I'm planning to monetize and I have a few ideas, hopefully one of them works out!

Very cool. Did you do all of the coding and heavy lifting on this app yourself? It certainly raises the bar in this area! Hopefully it didn't weigh you down whilst developing it. Sorry, today is clearly Pun Day.

You've used all of the puns :c

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Post by scribu »

Joeri wrote: post #274
f_salmon wrote: post #262

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This may be nice for certain niche users. But the trend I see is companies telling us to regularly buy stuff we really don't need (and obviously throw away our "old" solutions). The world has way more pressing issues than yet-another-gadget. And the planet's resources are not unlimited.

You're right that the science and practice of morality hasn't moved that much over the past 50 years while the science of technology has jumped by orders of magnitude, and that this is a problem that needs addressing. That doesn't mean we should stop evolving the state of the art in technology though. This is not an either/or situation. Ethical science relies on the advancement of technology, and vice versa.

I agree that the practice of morality seems sort of neglected in the western world.

I don't see how ethical science relies on the advancement of technology, though. I'm not even sure what ethical _science_ is, to be honest.

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Post by JshWright »

lotyrin wrote: post #245
JshWright wrote: post #94

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How about a HUD that projects a map onto a firefighter's SCBA facepice? That would be absolutely incredible... Firefighters die every year because they get disoriented and lost in zero-visibility conditions. Even if it didn't have a pre-generated map of the structure loaded... it could build a map as it went, and at least be able to provide a 'retrace my steps' view.

This just adds a depth camera to the phone and uses it and the visible light camera to map the space and orient the device. If a human is disoriented in a no-visibility situation due to smoke, the cameras will not likely be able to orient them either, except maybe something like a power outage, where visible light is unavailable but the depth camera can still function.

Why does it need to be a visible light camera? Why not infrared?
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