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America Online to Buy Internet Chat Service for $287 Million (1998)

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Re: America Online to Buy Internet Chat Service for $287 Million (1998)

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I assume the motivation for pulling this out of the archive is the WhatsApp purchase. However, I don't think this comparison is truly fair. Not only is WhatsApp monthly adding over twice the userbase ICQ had at the time of purchase, but it is also actually collecting revenue from them. WhatsApp is a real company with real monetization strategies.

the rate should be a function of internet users/devices. ICQ (aka 1998) was a very different time in terms of total internet devices and users.

Re: America Online to Buy Internet Chat Service for $287 Million (1998)

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Someone mentioned about trying to find out if their have ever been any other chat services that have really made a lot of money on it's own, and it sparked memory of an acquisition that didn't happen quite that long ago, Microsoft buying Skype in 2011, and here is a good recent article about it: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/aug/30/skype-micr... The bullet point that stands out for me is this: • Problems…

It seems these types of transactions have nothing to do with potentials profits, but with power over users, or "lying on a bed of weeds and ripping them out before they strangle you".

Re: America Online to Buy Internet Chat Service for $287 Million (1998)

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post #69

Someone mentioned about trying to find out if their have ever been any other chat services that have really made a lot of money on it's own, and it sparked memory of an acquisition that didn't happen quite that long ago, Microsoft buying Skype in 2011, and here is a good recent article about it: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/aug/30/skype-micr... The bullet point that stands out for me is this: • Problems…

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Re: America Online to Buy Internet Chat Service for $287 Million (1998)

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I still remember back in 2000 when we still had AOL. I was eight or nine and I had my own aol account. You could have a dozen or so sub accounts on the main one. And because it was a "kids account" there were chat rooms for kids. Being the lovely kid that I was, of course I went into one and was like "how the f*ck are you all?" Well the kid chat rooms were moderated and our entire AOL account was disabled. My mom had…

when my folks got me a modem, the only thing my father made me understand was the phone bill values... i was 7 or younger. learned all about initialization strings and the minimal about terminal emulation to get to the message and mud games part of some bbs. after that it was downhill.

Re: America Online to Buy Internet Chat Service for $287 Million (1998)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To contextualize requires relativity. ICQ in 1999 had about 45 million users. There were only 248 million internet users back in 1999. That's 18% of mostly international users. AOL was optimistic. So much so this is the actual response when they beat the street during their earning reports. "(ICQ is) growing like a weed," said AOL President Bob Pittman. "Monetizing it" will be "relatively easy," he added. WhatsApp ha…

10554049 how do I remember that?

207432 :) It got stolen a while ago, when I already stopped using icq.

Re: America Online to Buy Internet Chat Service for $287 Million (1998)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To contextualize requires relativity. ICQ in 1999 had about 45 million users. There were only 248 million internet users back in 1999. That's 18% of mostly international users. AOL was optimistic. So much so this is the actual response when they beat the street during their earning reports. "(ICQ is) growing like a weed," said AOL President Bob Pittman. "Monetizing it" will be "relatively easy," he added. WhatsApp ha…

10554049 how do I remember that?

28648600

I have no idea, but it's still stuck in my mind to this day!

Re: America Online to Buy Internet Chat Service for $287 Million (1998)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

oh and the fact that whatsapp actually is very profitable

If you can call a P/E of 800+ "very profitable"? Making $20M a year profit is no small thing at all, and I'm sure if it was bought for a billion, you'd see far less comments on the subject.

It makes $20 million in revenue. I've read that they're profitable, but never the number.

Re: America Online to Buy Internet Chat Service for $287 Million (1998)

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post #7

I assume the motivation for pulling this out of the archive is the WhatsApp purchase. However, I don't think this comparison is truly fair. Not only is WhatsApp monthly adding over twice the userbase ICQ had at the time of purchase, but it is also actually collecting revenue from them. WhatsApp is a real company with real monetization strategies.

Whatsapp makes extremely little revenue right now - like it would take Facebook hundreds of years to recuperate what they paid [1]. Even if it doubles in user-base and grows by an order of magnitude (on top of that) through some magic Facebook monetization strategy, it would still take them decades. But if we discount the fact that Facebook mostly paid their own "worthless" (mostly overhyped/overvalued) stock for thi…

"What would be much smarter is using your own engineers to build that next disruption"

Could they, though? Facebook's DNA is information accumulation. As is Google's.

WhatsApp is the antithesis of this, and the likely outcome of this acquisition is the gradual decline of the product as people flock to whatever new, unburdened, anonymous replacement comes along.

But for a while it will boost the stock price because it keeps user engagement seemingly high.

Re: America Online to Buy Internet Chat Service for $287 Million (1998)

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post #7

I assume the motivation for pulling this out of the archive is the WhatsApp purchase. However, I don't think this comparison is truly fair. Not only is WhatsApp monthly adding over twice the userbase ICQ had at the time of purchase, but it is also actually collecting revenue from them. WhatsApp is a real company with real monetization strategies.

WhatsApp had revenues of $20 million last year -- clearly much lower than their userbase -- and from reports on here most people were unaware any $1 per year thing even existed. Their site doesn't seem to even mention the $1 thing, but instead declares -- without time restriction -- that it is entirely free.
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