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Apple Is Growing Rotten To The Core, And It’s Likely AT&T’s Fault

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Re: Apple Is Growing Rotten To The Core, And It’s Likely AT&T’s Fault

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Post by anticitizen »

jrockway wrote: post #35
modoc wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've found that for better or worse, most of the real world involves compromise and taking the good with the bad. So while I'd love Apple to totally open up the iPhone (I'd also like a free yacht) on the balance, I personally choose to have an iPhone instead of a G1 or whatever else. The upside is bigger for me than the downside.

The difference between an open iPhone and a free yacht is cost. A free yahct would cost someone money. An open iPhone would save Apple money (no need to pay app store reviewers, etc.)

No way - Apple gets a cut of all those app purchases.

Re: Apple Is Growing Rotten To The Core, And It’s Likely AT&T’s Fault

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Post by joshu »

blasdel wrote: post #18

Oh man, AT&T might be rotten, but Verizon is actively evil when it comes to this. Like cackling Emperor Palpatine levels of evil. They heavily modify the software running on the phones they sell, and they don't allow any others on their network. Modifications include: * Shoving their logo into every orifice * Leasing you access to the GPS chip in your phone (or even the E911 data) * disabling all file transfer method…

I have a Blackberry 8830 on Verizon. I'm loathe to switch carriers or phones.

The customer service is pretty great. I have access to the GPS. I've been able to get media on and off the phone as necessary. It has unlimited network connectivity and tethering.

I'm not convinced they're any worse than any other carrier.

Re: Apple Is Growing Rotten To The Core, And It’s Likely AT&T’s Fault

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Post by blasdel »

Kadin wrote: post #13
jsz0 wrote: post #4

"Palm, if you’re looking for marketing material — take note." They can't. They don't offer a Google Voice client either. The SDK they have released (that doesn't let you publish apps yet) doesn't appear to be capable of it either. Good marketing material for RIM perhaps.

Anyone know what the status is of a Google Voice client for the S60 platform? It seems far less restricted than most of the other smartphones, except perhaps Android. It even comes out of the box with a SIP client, and you can toggle a setting that uses SIP preferentially instead of making regular cell calls, if you want. If Nokia is willing to develop and include a SIP client, which I can only presume the cell carri…

Is there a single US carrier that sells a subsidized S60 phone that includes the SIP support at all?

Re: Apple Is Growing Rotten To The Core, And It’s Likely AT&T’s Fault

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Post by jrockway »

ryanwaggoner wrote: post #36
callmeed wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/02/apple-says-jailbreaking... Basically Apple wants it to be a crime (copyright infringement/DMCA violation) to jailbreak your phone. I believe they will be ruling in October.

Really sad. Is this kind of treachery the inevitable result of success?

No, it's the inevitable result of making it legal for congresspeople to accept bribes. (Oh sorry, not bribes; lobbying money.)

Re: Apple Is Growing Rotten To The Core, And It’s Likely AT&T’s Fault

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Post by jrockway »

siong1987 wrote: post #38
blasdel wrote: post #18

Oh man, AT&T might be rotten, but Verizon is actively evil when it comes to this. Like cackling Emperor Palpatine levels of evil. They heavily modify the software running on the phones they sell, and they don't allow any others on their network. Modifications include: * Shoving their logo into every orifice * Leasing you access to the GPS chip in your phone (or even the E911 data) * disabling all file transfer method…

In fact, most of the carriers here are fucked up. Most of the asia carriers would compete over their services(no carrier-locked phone). But, in US, it seems like most of the carriers are competing over what phones they can provide.

Sort of. The GSM providers don't know/care if you use a random GSM phone on their network. Of course, if you rent their GSM phone, they are not going to let you use it on a different GSM network.

(People seem to want free phones, and then seem confused when the person that gave you the free phone doesn't want you to use it on the competitor's network. If you buy your own phone, you can use it wherever you want.)

Re: Apple Is Growing Rotten To The Core, And It’s Likely AT&T’s Fault

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Post by davidw »

zacharypinter wrote: post #2

Though it's probably questionable for Techcrunch to keep posting about the same story, I think Apple's anti-competitive practices deserve the extra notice.

I'm definitely "not an Apple fan", but I think these stories get a bit old. Apple has been all about control since... well, the days of the Mac. Remember the look and feel lawsuit? Steve quashing the clones? Pretty much par for the course - I'd rather read about people doing cool new stuff (and that includes Apple when they're doing that instead of trying to rule their turf with an iron fist).

Re: Apple Is Growing Rotten To The Core, And It’s Likely AT&T’s Fault

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Post by sachinag »

jrockway wrote: post #44
ryanwaggoner wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really sad. Is this kind of treachery the inevitable result of success?

No, it's the inevitable result of making it legal for congresspeople to accept bribes. (Oh sorry, not bribes; lobbying money.)

No, it's campaign contributions. Lobbyists are paid to ostensibly lobby. Of course, a part of lobbying is donating to various candidates and PACs.

Re: Apple Is Growing Rotten To The Core, And It’s Likely AT&T’s Fault

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Post by lallysingh »

callmeed wrote: post #34
ryanwaggoner wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source? I'd really like to hear more about this.

http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/02/apple-says-jailbreaking... Basically Apple wants it to be a crime (copyright infringement/DMCA violation) to jailbreak your phone. I believe they will be ruling in October.

You mean apple's in-house legal council argued that it's a DMCA violation to jailbreak a phone. E.g., doing the exact job any decent lawyer would do for their client.

That's a little different from Steve Jobs saying "If you jailbreak your phone, I want you in federal prison."

I'm no apple fanboy or hater (I donate to the EFF, and write this from a macbook pro), but if we want a company to behave "right" (for our definition-of-the-week of "right"), we have to be fair to them first.

Re: Apple Is Growing Rotten To The Core, And It’s Likely AT&T’s Fault

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Post by lallysingh »

litewulf wrote: post #22
rufo wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While Apple would deny warranty service if they discovered the phone is or was jailbroken, a full restore from iTunes completely reverses a jailbreak, so as long as your phone is either dead or restorable, there are no warranty issues.

(Do you not find this completely unsatisfying though?)

Sir, did you reboot the computer?

That didn't fix it? Ok, reinstall windows and the latest drivers from our website.

That didn't fix it? Ok, here's an RMA.

Not that different from other platform vendors...

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