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Apple Is Growing Rotten To The Core, And It’s Likely AT&T’s Fault

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Re: Apple Is Growing Rotten To The Core, And It’s Likely AT&T’s Fault

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Post by ryanwaggoner »

jrockway wrote: post #20
stavrianos wrote: post #8

There's gotta be a way outside of the App Store to get software onto the iPhone, right? If nothing else, developers gotta test their apps out. If that whole process (whatever it is) were wrapped into a neat little app, an entirely new distribution channel could be opened up. Has this happened yet? And if not (I assume not), why not? edit: not an iphone app, a regular-type computer app.

Apple is trying to lobby the government into making it a federal crime to install your own software on the iPhone. I love this digital millennium that we live in... Anyway, it comes down to -- what do you want more, pretty icons, or your freedom? Right now, the majority of phone users seem to want pretty icons.

Source? I'd really like to hear more about this.

Re: Apple Is Growing Rotten To The Core, And It’s Likely AT&T’s Fault

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Post by tptacek »

jonursenbach wrote: post #30
dpatru wrote: post #29

Seems like this might be an anti-trust issue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman_Antitrust_Act

Time to get out the burning torches, stakes and lawyers for a class action lawsuit.

Are the torches and stakes for Apple or the lawyers?

Re: Apple Is Growing Rotten To The Core, And It’s Likely AT&T’s Fault

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Post by callmeed »

It's funny how helpful and nice T-Mobile was when I brought in my unlocked iPhone. They got me setup on a pay-as-you-go plan in no time.

After 2 years of being a loyal customer, AT&T shut my account off for "excessive use of partner coverage" ... even after repeated begging and pleading, they wouldn't restore my service.

Sometimes it feels like they don't want my money.

Re: Apple Is Growing Rotten To The Core, And It’s Likely AT&T’s Fault

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Post by callmeed »

ryanwaggoner wrote: post #31
jrockway wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is trying to lobby the government into making it a federal crime to install your own software on the iPhone. I love this digital millennium that we live in... Anyway, it comes down to -- what do you want more, pretty icons, or your freedom? Right now, the majority of phone users seem to want pretty icons.

Source? I'd really like to hear more about this.

http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/02/apple-says-jailbreaking...

Basically Apple wants it to be a crime (copyright infringement/DMCA violation) to jailbreak your phone.

I believe they will be ruling in October.

Re: Apple Is Growing Rotten To The Core, And It’s Likely AT&T’s Fault

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Post by jrockway »

modoc wrote: post #28
litewulf wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(Do you not find this completely unsatisfying though?)

I've found that for better or worse, most of the real world involves compromise and taking the good with the bad. So while I'd love Apple to totally open up the iPhone (I'd also like a free yacht) on the balance, I personally choose to have an iPhone instead of a G1 or whatever else. The upside is bigger for me than the downside.

The difference between an open iPhone and a free yacht is cost. A free yahct would cost someone money. An open iPhone would save Apple money (no need to pay app store reviewers, etc.)

Re: Apple Is Growing Rotten To The Core, And It’s Likely AT&T’s Fault

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Post by ryanwaggoner »

callmeed wrote: post #34
ryanwaggoner wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source? I'd really like to hear more about this.

http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/02/apple-says-jailbreaking... Basically Apple wants it to be a crime (copyright infringement/DMCA violation) to jailbreak your phone. I believe they will be ruling in October.

Really sad. Is this kind of treachery the inevitable result of success?

Re: Apple Is Growing Rotten To The Core, And It’s Likely AT&T’s Fault

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Post by amackera »

mrkurt wrote: post #6
jsz0 wrote: post #4

"Palm, if you’re looking for marketing material — take note." They can't. They don't offer a Google Voice client either. The SDK they have released (that doesn't let you publish apps yet) doesn't appear to be capable of it either. Good marketing material for RIM perhaps.

The SDK would support a Google Voice app at the same level as the Blackberry one does, but it wouldn't let you hijack the dialer and SMS like the Android one. So good marketing material for Google. :)

One of the big selling features of the Android SDK, for me, was the ability to completely replace any aspect of the system including the dialer, contacts, music, etc.

Re: Apple Is Growing Rotten To The Core, And It’s Likely AT&T’s Fault

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Post by siong1987 »

blasdel wrote: post #18

Oh man, AT&T might be rotten, but Verizon is actively evil when it comes to this. Like cackling Emperor Palpatine levels of evil. They heavily modify the software running on the phones they sell, and they don't allow any others on their network. Modifications include: * Shoving their logo into every orifice * Leasing you access to the GPS chip in your phone (or even the E911 data) * disabling all file transfer method…

In fact, most of the carriers here are fucked up.

Most of the asia carriers would compete over their services(no carrier-locked phone). But, in US, it seems like most of the carriers are competing over what phones they can provide.

Re: Apple Is Growing Rotten To The Core, And It’s Likely AT&T’s Fault

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Post by ubernostrum »

JeremyChase wrote: post #27
DarkShikari wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mirriam-Webster disagrees in that collude necessary implies illegality: Collude: Definition: conspire, plot Collusion: Definition: secret agreement or cooperation, especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose.

I didn't say that it was illegal; I said it implied it. I'm not sure how much more firmly it can be said so I'll just repeat what you already pasted: _especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose_

I really look forward to the day when HN's free-market, all-government-intervention-is-evil ideologues finally collide with the "I don't like what Apple did, so it should be outlawed" brigade.

I shall bring popcorn.

Re: Apple Is Growing Rotten To The Core, And It’s Likely AT&T’s Fault

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Post by der_ketzer »

jrockway wrote: post #7
jodrellblank wrote: post #5

It’s Likely AT&T’s Fault [..] it’s not hard to guess who’s behind the restriction: our old friend AT&T. [..]Apple is now actively stifling innovation [..] All the more upsetting is that this comes from the company that Steve Jobs built. [..] Make your mind up! Is it AT&T or Apple you want to whine about?

When two companies collude like AT&T and Apple, it's hard to determine who is at fault. Might as well blame them both. But, does anyone who's not from the US have anything to say about this? Are the networks that carry the iPhone in Europe and Asia as evil as AT&T?

If you buy it here without 3g support it costs 896 dls (only the iphone and a phone line). If you buy it with a 3g plan the cheapest plan costs 46 dls per month and an extra cost for the iphone (597).

Of course the service is bad, we don't have all the nice features like in USA or Europe (because of the old service provided).

So here in Mexico the problem is not Apple, AT&T, etc, but the carrier (Telcel). The Iphone is useless here, excepto as phone and mp3 player, and sometimes for bad surfing.

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