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Re: AI

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Post by thibauts »

kevinalexbrown wrote: post #132

If the only goal is an 'artificial' consciousness, it might be more prudent to consider a functional definition of what consciousness is and try to build that. We didn't make computers by modeling how individual neurons perform mathematical calculations. On the other hand, if you want to go the biological route, there's some awesome work to be done. If I were to study consciousness, here's the question I would ask: h…

I think you define it very well. Self-sense building is the identification of perfect or near-perfect prediction of inputs based on outputs produced. When I move my hand on the right, the visual pattern it produces moves on the right ... and so on. This is basically related to the level of control you have on the feedback loop. Numerous experiments back that idea, including the ones you refer to.

This reflexion may be extended by asking oneself how perfect prediction might be linked to pleasure / pain signals (this is purely rethorical as the answer is obvious and known). What is not to be enjoyed in perfect prediction ? This could be a reason to self-enjoyment (or self-sense might be related to enjoyment), and even enjoyment of other people whose actions we can predict.

We are embarking on the path to understanding what information really is, and this will no doubt deeply shake our world. Deep and fascinating subject anyway.

Re: AI

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Post by thibauts »

debt wrote: post #170
kevinalexbrown wrote: post #132

If the only goal is an 'artificial' consciousness, it might be more prudent to consider a functional definition of what consciousness is and try to build that. We didn't make computers by modeling how individual neurons perform mathematical calculations. On the other hand, if you want to go the biological route, there's some awesome work to be done. If I were to study consciousness, here's the question I would ask: h…

We know a ton about the brain but so little about the mind itself. We still don't have definitive answers to what consciousness is, why it's here, what's useful for, etc. Some people debate whether the mind exists at all. Also, there's still very little understanding of the difference between the conscious and unconscious mind. I think building an artificial consciousness is going too far. Artificial intelligence is…

The unconscious may simply be related to responses to stimuli repeated and internalized enought in neural structures for us to not have to supervise them anymore. This mecanism could be put on par with abstraction in my opinion, for the role it plays in enabling us to control our environement with limited attention resources.

Re: AI

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Post by 3rd3 »

hcarvalhoalves wrote: post #248
3rd3 wrote: post #240

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Isn’t Fitt’s law about how long it takes to aim for an element of a certain size at a certain distance? I think this has nothing to do with Fitt’s law.

It has everything to do with accuracy. Smaller targets take more time to aim; that implies your accuracy depends on how close to the optimal speed you aim.

I still don’t see what this time-distance-size relation has to say about this case. Do you mean that one could infer since arrow and title are equal in size and close together it requires minimal time to point from the one to the other? It seems like breaking a butterfly on a wheel referring to Fitt’s law here. Sorry for nit-picking, maybe I’m missing something.

Re: AI

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Post by 3rd3 »

cpeterso wrote: post #143
aragot wrote: post #130

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I just did that. iPad here, click target is below 44px.

This happens to me all the time on my phone. HN should make bigger voting arrows (or at least on mobile devices).

There is actually a neat web app for mobile devices: http://hn.premii.com

Re: AI

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Post by haberman »

nzp wrote: post #258
debt wrote: post #249

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I think that's another possible narrative for the mind but it's certainly not hard science. There's no concrete data showing where the mind is in our bodies or what part of the brain creates it. Psycology can't answer questions like where does the mind come from or what is experience. It's an interesting narrative though and I'll check out those books.

> Psycology can't answer questions like where does the mind come from or what is experience. I'm not sure I understand what you mean by this. Of course it can, that's the whole purpose of psychology (and, more fashionably, neuroscience of course). To me that sounds like saying science can't answer these questions. Do note that when I say "psychology" I mean strictly the scientific areas of whatever comes in the bag l…

> it's based on empirical data

What empirical data can say anything about, for example, the philosophical zombie problem? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_zombie

Re: AI

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Post by nzp »

haberman wrote: post #265
nzp wrote: post #258

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> Psycology can't answer questions like where does the mind come from or what is experience. I'm not sure I understand what you mean by this. Of course it can, that's the whole purpose of psychology (and, more fashionably, neuroscience of course). To me that sounds like saying science can't answer these questions. Do note that when I say "psychology" I mean strictly the scientific areas of whatever comes in the bag l…

> it's based on empirical data What empirical data can say anything about, for example, the philosophical zombie problem? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_zombie

There's no such data, because the zombie problem is complete nonsense. Well, actually, it is complete nonsense precisely because empirical data can't say anything about it.

Re: AI

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Post by haberman »

nzp wrote: post #266
haberman wrote: post #265

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> it's based on empirical data What empirical data can say anything about, for example, the philosophical zombie problem? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_zombie

There's no such data, because the zombie problem is complete nonsense. Well, actually, it is complete nonsense precisely because empirical data can't say anything about it.

By that argument, there is no moral argument against inflicting pain on others, because the pain of another is not something we can empirically observe, except by analogy of how we react to the pain we ourselves experience.

Re: AI

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Post by tylermauthe »

membrain wrote: post #232
tylermauthe wrote: post #21

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It's nice to hear smart people talk about important topics in a down-to-earth fashion. This is why I upvoted.

smart - nope. pretentious guesswork and attention whoring is what is going on here

There are many types of smart, good sir.

Re: AI

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Post by catshirt »

Houshalter wrote: post #171
catshirt wrote: post #151

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the idea that there is a better application for my atoms seems subjective/human too

That's true, I don't know what the goal of an AI will be. But if it does anything at all, it's more likely to be indifferent to humans than compatible with our goals. An AI programmed to solve a difficult optimization problem might convert the entire mass of the solar system into a giant computer. An AI programmed for self-preservation would try to destroy every tiny possible threat to it's existence, and store as mu…

"An AI programmed to solve a difficult optimization problem might convert the entire mass of the solar system into a giant computer."

ha :) i love this. my initial reaction was again- this is a huge assumption. that is, you're assuming self-preservation would be a goal, before sustaining human life. but then i realized, i guess this is your point! regardless of what goals we intend to program for, their solutions are unknown to us and could be catastrophic by our definitions.

that all said; i welcome robot catastrophe too. if it's going to happen it's going to happen and i'd prefer it be while i can experience it.

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