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“Facebook turned me down” (2009)

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They won't hire you but are begging to get more H1b workers...

Yeah, how awful it would be for America if the world's brightest become citizens.

That isn't at all what the H-1B Visas are being used for in practice. They are being used for cost cutting and facilitating outsourcing.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2013/04/03/176134...

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/02/silicon-valley-h...

Re: “Facebook turned me down” (2009)

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Too high of a risk for companies. Better to let the market sift out the successful founders than to payroll a hundred of them, hoping for a big win. Think of how many unsuccessful founder types that Facebook didn't hire too. Also if this guy was working for Facebook, odds are he would have ended up on messenger, and someone else would have filled the SMS market need for Whatsapp in India. Then Facebook would be acqui…

> Better to let the market sift out the successful founders than to payroll a hundred of them, hoping for a big win. Sorry, I can't help myself, but at a salary of $160k a year, payrolling "a hundred of them" per year would only cost 1/10th of what FB just paid for whatsapp. It's too bad companies like FB and Twitter would rather let the 'founder' types slip by than to take more chances. When Facebook last tried to r…

Only out of context. It's assuming that he would have founded WhatsApp while working within facebook.

Re: “Facebook turned me down” (2009)

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Too high of a risk for companies. Better to let the market sift out the successful founders than to payroll a hundred of them, hoping for a big win. Think of how many unsuccessful founder types that Facebook didn't hire too. Also if this guy was working for Facebook, odds are he would have ended up on messenger, and someone else would have filled the SMS market need for Whatsapp in India. Then Facebook would be acqui…

> Too high of a risk for companies. The problem with PARC and AT&T labs wasn't that having a bunch of really smart people doing interesting stuff failed to produce brilliant, world changing ideas, it was that the companies in question weren't always good at capitalising on them (arguably for the better, in the case of Unix).

I've heard the same thing about early Xerox. I think that it requires both the idea AND the execution to make it work.

Did WhatsApp make a profit?

Re: “Facebook turned me down” (2009)

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You could see it as a badge of honor that Google or another large company, which purportedly hires only the best of the best, deemed you worthy of an interview. The mere fact that you have been considered for a position might raise your standing with potential employers [citation needed].

Honestly, Google calls me regularly wanting to set up an interview and I'm no one special. I just view it as the market really is getting tight for talent.

I got one of those calls and went in for a day of interviews. Half of the interviewers were incapable of making eye contact and the others half were only interested in Fermie problems. I suggested that Glass was a terrible product and they should have started with a beachhead market like skiing goggles before building a mass consumer product. Needless to say, they didn't like my ideas and didn't make an offer.

Then, a few months later I got another recruiting call from them. Then another. It didn't stop until I suggested they create some sort of engine for searching potential candidates to make sure they weren't wasting anyone's time tba the calls stopped. Once again, they didn't seem to like my idea ;p

Re: “Facebook turned me down” (2009)

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Last I checked, Buddhism was a caste religion.

Buddhism is not Hinduism. Other dharmic religions that disavow castes include Sikhism and Jainism.

> Other dharmic religions that disavow castes include Sikhism and Jainism.

...and don't forget Hinduism.

It's very frustrating when people try to portray Hinduism as a single, monolithic religion - it's like talking about Catholicism, Baptism, and Mormonism (in the US) as if they were the same entity.

Despite what /r/worldnews might have one believe, the caste system is by no means universally followed. It varies greatly by region and other demographic factors.

In some parts, the caste system is virtually nonexistant, or is (at most) a more formal codification of the same socioeconomic-racial social discrimination that exists everywhere.

Re: “Facebook turned me down” (2009)

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This isn't all that unusual. Most people realize that hiring processes are really random. In some ways just hiring anyone who applies, firing them after 90 days if they don't work out, and keeping track of who has been through once is probably a better system overall. The recent work on how SAT scores don't predict college success is similar. There is a huge amount of influence around 'fit' and environment. Some peop…

"The recent work on how SAT scores don't predict college success is similar." What do you mean? SAT predicts GPA pretty well and it predicts it better for harder than easier subjects. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3090148/ SAT predicts GPA better for high ability subjects: Implications for Spearman’s Law of Diminishing Returns Thomas Coyle,a, Anissa Snyder,a David Pillow,a and Peter Kochunovb Abstract T…

I think this has more to do with detail orientedness and hard work. I thought I could take the SAT without any prep. Lol. If there is one important thing for a higher schooler to do, it is to master that test.

Re: “Facebook turned me down” (2009)

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You could see it as a badge of honor that Google or another large company, which purportedly hires only the best of the best, deemed you worthy of an interview. The mere fact that you have been considered for a position might raise your standing with potential employers [citation needed].

>"The mere fact that you have been considered for a position might raise your standing with potential employers [citation needed]." Personally, the weeks following my interviews with one of those big players saw me approached by a couple of established start-ups and a major financial company - far more attention than I'd ever received previously.

> established start-up

The word you're looking for is "company".

Re: “Facebook turned me down” (2009)

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Honestly, Google calls me regularly wanting to set up an interview and I'm no one special. I just view it as the market really is getting tight for talent.

The attitudes about FB & Google were very different in 2007 compared to what they are now.

Google and/or Facebook were my dream jobs at the time, if not for the work and peers, the bragging rights and resume fodder alone had an appeal. In 07' they were the cream of the crop hotbeds, you had Facebook poaching talent from Goog and both of them poaching talent from Paypal, Yahoo, Microsoft, Amazon, etc. Even the early backers that had left FB had gone on to found things like LinkedIn.

It was a case of "if you work here, you're certified as knowing your shit" and "it's not what you know, it's who you know."

As said, I was self taught programmer, so for me this was a type of validation which meant the job had more significance for me at the time. If I could make it onto the Facebook staff, I was legit. It took me a lot of hard work and dedication to overcome that mental set back. I think all of us self taught devs have a lingering suspicion we're not good enough, not vetted enough, not seasoned enough, etc. Having a major life goal (@ 22yo) sitting at your doorstep and missing it due to your own shortcomings pretty much brought those back of mind doubts to the forefront and crushed my self worth, for me.

Luckily I'm not a "ah well, guess I'll go cry" kind of guy and adhere more to the "oh yeah?! well fuck you too!" attitude and having this happen to mean early in my career did nothing short of light a fire under my ass to be better than I was and better than I think I need to be. The salary offered for the position was about $28k more than I was making at the time and through a lot of self teaching, negotiations, and job jockeying I was making more than that position offered by about $5k within 1 year.

Despite all of this, that FB denial still has a tinge of "you suck, give up, go home, raise rabbits or something... you'd be a good ditch digger..." that still sits in the back of my mind reminding me constantly that some goals just aren't achievable... even if I don't want them at this point in my life anyways.

/rant

Re: “Facebook turned me down” (2009)

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You could see it as a badge of honor that Google or another large company, which purportedly hires only the best of the best, deemed you worthy of an interview. The mere fact that you have been considered for a position might raise your standing with potential employers [citation needed].

I see that in academia occasionally. People will semi-publicly mention that they didn't get the job at MIT, which is a kind of roundabout way of advertising that MIT was considering them for a job.

In academia interviews are how you get a raise. In a lot of places, the only way to get more money is to say you got the offer elsewhere.

Re: “Facebook turned me down” (2009)

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[ have a friend who tried to kill himself because he failed the Google interview.] WHOA, talk about extremes

"Google turned me down" (2008) (have been calling me back in since 2012. Haven't gone (yet). Currently laughing all the way to the bank NOT rendering ads in every place imaginable).

I should add that I would love to work there (but I'm sure I'd fail the interview (again)).
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