I live in Vienna. I don't understand how this is the most liveable city in the world - unless by liveable, it means "concrete jungle monstrosity - with good public transportation". I honestly think this is one of the most oppressive cities in the world, and I just don't get how it managed to gain this acclaim, every single year. I guess things must be really bad in a majority of the western world. The thing is, the c…
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Vienna again named world's most liveable city
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#63I will take this seriously when Mercer and Reuters will move their corporate headquarters from the 6th Avenue in Manhattan and Canary Wharf in London respectively to Vienna.
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#64The more I travel, the more convinced I am that the American experiment with car oriented cities was a disaster that will take untold billions of dollars to rectify. It's affected everything from public safety (e.g. police can no longer walk a patrol), to loss of community (people don't really shop in the same place they live), lost productivity (stuck in traffic), and on and on and on. I'm very encouraged by recent,…
Don't forget about how it develops isolated and street-naive teenagers in the suburbs who are completely unable to go anywhere interesting without a parent till they're 16 (or older in many jurisdictions where the driving age has been creeping up and rules disallow teenagers from giving each other rides). Remember the woman who let her 10 year old take a city bus to school and back in NYC (something which most any 10…
Sorry, but your teenie being able to get anywhere easily on their own is not always a great solution. Lack of safe affordable housing drove many into the burbs, the gated communities that some became merely copied the gated buildings some lived in.
Many cities are not walkable at all, they are far too large to be so. Sure some have subways or the like, but going by my friends account its an hour by train on good days to and from work. Most of his friends bring their lunches because local eateries are not a good use of money on a day to day basis. As for walking, yeah if the weather permits it.
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#65The more I travel, the more convinced I am that the American experiment with car oriented cities was a disaster that will take untold billions of dollars to rectify. It's affected everything from public safety (e.g. police can no longer walk a patrol), to loss of community (people don't really shop in the same place they live), lost productivity (stuck in traffic), and on and on and on. I'm very encouraged by recent,…
Density is returning to American cities, seemingly because the roads could not keep up with what they promised. Houston has typically been a perfect example of urban sprawl, but as of late it has been rapidly getting denser and land values are skyrocketing the closer you are to these areas.
But I'm unmarried with no dependents. I couldn't afford to buy a home here (they're seemingly all $1M+).
As a consequence, with a city the size of Houston, simply increasing the density probably does not have the desired effect. The urban core of Houston will be completely re-invented in the next decade. It will consist almost exclusively of only two groups: (1) the rich; (2) the well-off singles and DINKs (dual-income-no-kids). If you're not a successful lawyer, doctor, executive, or someone with pre-existing land ownership, you will never be able to own a home in inner-city Houston in 10 years (barring some economic crash). Even now, it takes two highly paid engineers to comfortably support a family life in many inner-loop areas. Moreover, very few new single-family homes are being built--it's almost exclusively townhomes intended for childless young professionals.
Everybody else will be pushed to the suburbs, which will actually greatly exacerbate the traffic problem and further insulate the vast majority of kids from urban life.
This is why I'm of the opinion that it would actually be better for everybody if more emphasis were put on suburban development. Make the suburbs less suburban, provide them with more infrastructure, create more walkable centers in them, and also invest more in providing public transportation from the suburbs into downtown business districts. There are already a few park-and-ride bus services (e.g., from Sugar Land or the Woodlands into Downtown, Greenway, etc.), but most suburbanites, so caught up in the car culture, won't swallow their pride and use them.
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#66The more I travel, the more convinced I am that the American experiment with car oriented cities was a disaster that will take untold billions of dollars to rectify. It's affected everything from public safety (e.g. police can no longer walk a patrol), to loss of community (people don't really shop in the same place they live), lost productivity (stuck in traffic), and on and on and on. I'm very encouraged by recent,…
'awkward living accommodations in old buildings' I always find it amusing when Americans equal old buildings with subpar living conditions. Most of the apartments in Europe's typical 19th century buildings deliver an extremly high standard of housing that would just not be profitable to build today.
But many old flats are not like these. They're weird semi-renovated things with modern amenities shoe horned in wherever they can fit, water heaters in living rooms, hallways snaking their way around, clothes washers in hallways or kitchens, aggregated bits of older flats glommed together to make new ones resulting in stairs in the middle of bedrooms or living rooms, tiny tiny kitchens so small that if you put a mini fridge in you can't open the door all the way so the fridge ends up in one of the bedrooms, or bedrooms which consist of a door that open to a wall, but if you look up there's a crawl space big enough for a mattress so it's called a "bedroom" (and so for privacy you get a full size door) and on and on and on.
I've been in flats that were the result of gluing two or three different flats from adjacent buildings together, only the floor heights were off by a meter, and you end up with things like an extra half bath down by the bedrooms, which useless so it gets used as a closet, so if you want to shower you walk down a half flight of stairs to the en-suite full bath that's in the bedroom-converted-to-a-living-room, or where the old door was for the second flat, it's been painted over and nailed shut, but if you open it, it opens into your neighbor's kitchen (which used to be part of the hallway in that building).
Or the one that had a fully renovated kitchen, but they didn't put space in for the fridge and oven at all, so you end up cooking on the coffee table in the living room on hotplates and the fridge is by the front door.
Why bother designating rooms for anything if they're just going to be used as semi-all purpose rooms?
You can get all the modern conveniences, sorta, but they might be in weird forms or stashed away in strange places.
These are not in poor areas, but in central parts of Paris or Barcelona or Rome or wherever. Decent areas, and some of them were multi-million dollar places that simply wouldn't be acceptable, or up to basic safety and construction codes in the U.S.
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#67I live in Vienna and I see these surveys all the time. I moved in Vienna 2.5 years ago. Vienna is a good place to live (otherwise I would have left) provided you don't care about things that are simply not available, for example no real IT sector, no startup scene etc. It's okay, but it's nothing spectacular. I don't understand what these people find so fascinating about the city. My friends share my opinion too. I g…
Is Vienna a great place if you want to work for a Hedge fund, if you are a jazz musician, an opera singer, a tech startup founder, a chef, an industrial electrician who fixes oil rigs, a UN diplomat? They don't ask these questions at all.
I can tell you what this ranking is about. It's a completely pointless PR gimmick by an HR consultancy.
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#68The more I travel, the more convinced I am that the American experiment with car oriented cities was a disaster that will take untold billions of dollars to rectify. It's affected everything from public safety (e.g. police can no longer walk a patrol), to loss of community (people don't really shop in the same place they live), lost productivity (stuck in traffic), and on and on and on. I'm very encouraged by recent,…
"...American experiment with car oriented cities..." America is almost 3,000 miles from coast to coast. 1500 miles or more top to bottom. When the auto became popular, most people lived on farms. What part of that was an experiment? Perhaps you just meant that in a poetic sense, if so, apologies. But it bears pointing out, especially to a younger HN audience that might have spent most of their lives on an education o…
What I'm specifically referring to is that once you're in an urban center, is it more like a European or even an older American (pre-car) city where you can walk locally, public transit outside of that and then drive, or is it like Houston, LA or Dallas? Where the difference between living in the "city" and living in the country is that it shaves half the time off your drive to get anywhere and you have to drive to accomplish even basic daily tasks like grocery shopping?
LA is the quintessential example where urban planners decided to build around the car and invested heavily in freeway infrastructure instead of robust public transport (and the urban development model that implies). Building cities around vehicles and not around people (as has been done for millenia) is the experiment I'm talking about, and I think it's proven to not be the better model.
I think it can swing wrong the other way as well. Building only on the scale for people to walk around causes friction with entering or leaving the urban "zone". If you want to go visit a city, you have no place to put your car, this hurts the economy of the city. And if you want to leave the city, maybe for a trip, or to pick up a bulk good you can't hand carry, you may not have a car to do so (this is partially addressed by services like zipcar and similar).
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#69On these "most livable" city indexes, I wish they would take into account how much it costs to live there compared to wages. San Fransisco is high on their list, but from what I'm hearing, it's really not the panacea that these lists often make it out to be. High wages, but higher cost of living and horrible living conditions compared to the Midwest, for example. I have a friend who just bought a two-story, four bedr…
Living conditions? The midwest has been and is still being hit with one of the worst winters in a few decades. Also I hear that "land is cheap elsewhere" argument all the time. You're right; if I was 82 and wanted to settle down I'd buy a ranch somewhere in the palm desert for 100k, but I'm not. I'm young and I want to work. I'll live in my shitty apartment in SF long before I whither away on some plot of land in the…
Besides, there are many good universities and large and small companies in the mid-west, in Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, and Minnesota. These states put together have about 1/3rd of all the Fortune 500 companies, to give you an idea of the economic activity. So the comparison with ranches and deserts doesn't hold. That said, traffic isn't universally great in the mid-west. Chicago is a notable exception, but then you have plenty of public transport facilities in Chicago as alternatives to driving around.
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#70I live in Vienna and I see these surveys all the time. I moved in Vienna 2.5 years ago. Vienna is a good place to live (otherwise I would have left) provided you don't care about things that are simply not available, for example no real IT sector, no startup scene etc. It's okay, but it's nothing spectacular. I don't understand what these people find so fascinating about the city. My friends share my opinion too. I g…
I live in Vienna too and one thing I like in particular is that despite I live in a metropole with its 2 million inhabitants, I can jump on my bike in the summer, ride for twenty minutes to Donau, Vienna's river, and go for a swim, while being in nature. I can't think of any other city that offers what a world city has to offer, and being able to enjoy nature to the extent that I can swim in its river without worryin…