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“Facebook turned me down” (2009)

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> This isn't all that unusual. Most people realize that hiring processes are really random. In some ways just hiring anyone who applies, firing them after 90 days if they don't work out, and keeping track of who has been through once is probably a better system overall. "EMPLOYERS: avoid employing unlucky people by immediately tossing half the CVs in the bin" - Viz top tip.

I'll have to remember that one :-) But on a more serious note, its been interesting to see the different sort of talent location ideas that have emerged. So I person I met a long time a go as a production assistant for the TV series Robotica was trying to come up with a new series and I suggested "American Hacker" where folks would go on the show and compete for a spot at Facebook or something. His comment though was…

> I'll have to remember that one :-)

Also hilarialously wortwhile is the C. Northcotte Parkinson take "The Short List, or Principles of Selection" (e.g. https://www.google.com/search?q=c.+northcote+parkinson+candi... )

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I'll second this. I recently interviewed at a bunch of companies and couldn't get any offers. The interviews are getting ridiculous - we all know how pointless the coding questions are getting by now. Companies are too picky, in part because there's so much labor supply. I know there are loads of H1Bs around here, SV is like a third-world country.

I'm in SV with an H1B. I'm not from a third world country though, I'm from Canada. Even if I was from Africa or Asia, so what? If goods can easily cross borders these days, why not people?

If the government doesn't want to protect my interests, fine. Don't take my taxes either.

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Ask Threaders: What code does Zuckerberg write? I've seen the film and googled "mark zuckerberg". From what I gather, he did some programming in Atari BASIC, and he's just another perl hacker. Common sense would conclude that he is multi-lingual (yeah, I'm aware he was rusty a year or two ago), but does anyone know any specifics?

PHP...

Re: “Facebook turned me down” (2009)

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In 2007 Facebook was not in the club of "large companies with many open positions", just another startup on University Avenue with some series B in the bag.

...and therefore would have even more of an incentive to hire local.

Which they did http://www.entrepreneur.com/slideshow/231332

Re: “Facebook turned me down” (2009)

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I'll second this. I recently interviewed at a bunch of companies and couldn't get any offers. The interviews are getting ridiculous - we all know how pointless the coding questions are getting by now. Companies are too picky, in part because there's so much labor supply. I know there are loads of H1Bs around here, SV is like a third-world country.

>SV is like a third-world country ???

Lol looks suspiciously like racism.

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I would say that the reason he struck gold (which is different from being valuable) is because he's a good programmer who happened to work on a break away product. There are much more good programmers out there than break away products like WhatsApp. You can't create successes like WhatsApp just by hiring good programmers. There are plenty of great teams that didn't achieve product/market fit and failed. There are pl…

I'm not sure- great programming skills, algorithm knowledge et all still one thing. The key here is 'gumption'. Raw enthusiasm, high spiritedness and child like courage in approaching ideas and implementing them. To work on projects that kill you. To take routine, crippling failure and weather and grow stronger every time that happens. Most companies have processes to avoid hiring these kind of cowboys. Companies hav…

Most companies have processes to avoid hiring these kind of cowboys.

LOL!

Do these companies test problem identification skills?

On the mark. Maybe it's because the problems prefer not to be identified.

Re: “Facebook turned me down” (2009)

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Turned me down in 07' after a handful of phone interviews, flying me across the country, and 8 hours of in person interviews with 3 separate departments... but not before I got their CTO so shitfaced drunk he botched a 2AM code push to production and helped convince Zuckerbergs little sister into riding a mechanical bull. I regret nothing. edit: Worth noting I was a 22 year old self taught programmer that hadn't expe…

> he botched a 2AM code push to production I have come to think that pushing code to production when your person is noticeably compromised in some way should be prevented thorough technical means. Perhaps a CAPTCHA is an acceptable solution (which probably should also get more difficult the later the hour).

If you're so drunk you can't solve a CAPTCHA then you also probably can't sit at a chair and type on a keyboard.

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They won't hire you but are begging to get more H1b workers...

Yeah, how awful it would be for America if the world's brightest become citizens.

Along with 10 million physical laborers, just to kick in the teeth of the middle class a bit more.

The middle-class doesn't benefit Silicon Valley. Cheap nannies on the other hand...

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If he was hired by Facebook, he wouldn't have (co)developed WhatsApp. If Facebook hired him, he would most likely be worth (to Facebook) as much as any other random Facebook programmer. Unless he's the one who started WhatsApp, it would have been developed and successful anyway and Facebook would have to buy it for the same amount of money. The reality is that product/market fit is much more powerful force than progr…

I think the real issue is that when Facebook didn't hire him, he went on to found a competing company which Facebook felt compelled to pay 16 billion for. That's a big cost.

That value may never have been created otherwise. If the acquisition turns out successful then not hiring him may absolutely have been the right thing to do, even in hindsight

Re: “Facebook turned me down” (2009)

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This isn't all that unusual. Most people realize that hiring processes are really random. In some ways just hiring anyone who applies, firing them after 90 days if they don't work out, and keeping track of who has been through once is probably a better system overall. The recent work on how SAT scores don't predict college success is similar. There is a huge amount of influence around 'fit' and environment. Some peop…

"The recent work on how SAT scores don't predict college success is similar." What do you mean? SAT predicts GPA pretty well and it predicts it better for harder than easier subjects. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3090148/ SAT predicts GPA better for high ability subjects: Implications for Spearman’s Law of Diminishing Returns Thomas Coyle,a, Anissa Snyder,a David Pillow,a and Peter Kochunovb Abstract T…

FWIW this is the news story that triggered the SAT comment: http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/national_worl... the folks at Pitzer have been running the 'ignore them' test for a while now.
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